Astro Galaxy - a realistic space exploration game

From the office of [IMG], Corporate member to the Galactic Council

"As per articles 10 & 11 of the Galactic Council Charter, today at at 17:35 on the 18th May, 2013 Galactic Time, Pilot Radoshar in his spacecraft Star 1, was engaged by Corporation flagship ISBM FLAGSHIP around the orbit and surface of Saturn, System Sol. Details of that engagement to follow:"

"In following with the RoE (Rules of Engagement) set out in the GC,  the formal request to remove an installation from a Claimed system was submitted via the forums for all to witness. At the same time a message was sent to the pilot requesting that his holdings be removed, even offering relocation costs. All our messages went unheeded and unanswered. Several personal messages (PM) were sent directly to the pilot without receiving a direct response. So, following article 11 & subsection 11.1 of the GC charter and incorporating article 10 subsection 1. of the charter, orders were given by the high command of Corporation [IMG], Captain Dadds, For their flagship to carry out the directive."

"We acknowledge the pilot has since recently been under the new pilot protection rule and is therefore of no particular threat to our corporation power, the installation in question was hampering our designs for infrastructure building for Saturn, and we cannot fully rule out espionage as a motivating factor with the establishment, as there is no commercial value in any mining operations currently at Saturn. That is all for now. Combat log to follow. Please note that the log has been modified by defence secrecy act to guard against any intel that can be gained by displaying military sciences and weaponry loadouts."


Combat reports
Attacker
Dadds

Saturn
 
Attacker opened fire!

ISBM FLAGSHIP Vs. Star 1
Weapons assault
Star 1 maneuvers into fire range and attacks first.
Star 1 attacks with Viper Squadron MK I using standard formation.
Direct hit on target, doing 488 damage!
ISBM FLAGSHIP attacks with Railgun Battery MK ???? using standard mode.
Target dodged the incoming attack!

ISBM FLAGSHIP attacks with Viper Squadron MK ???? using standard formation.
Target dodged the incoming attack!

ISBM FLAGSHIP attacks with Viper Squadron MK ???? using standard formation.
Target dodged the incoming attack!

ISBM FLAGSHIP attacks with Laser Cannon MK ???? using standard mode.
Light hit on target, doing 19980 damage!
EMERGENCY JUMP!
Star 1 has retreated from the battlefield due to heavy damage!
Star 1 lost some cargo while executing the emergency jump...
ISBM FLAGSHIP searching for dumped cargo...
31 m3 Fuel Cells scooped into cargo bay.

HMS Vendetta Vs. Radoshar planetary force
Weapons assault
HMS Vendetta attacks with Laser Cannon MK ???? using standard mode.
Hit on target, doing 23976 damage!
Radoshar planetary force has been defeated!
Atmospheric harvester Mk I was destroyed.
2 m3 Gold, 2 m3 Tin, 14 m3 Copper was found in the wreckage.

Objective: Destroy 10% or more of the enemy while losing less % then the enemy.
 
Attacker victory!
Defender
Radoshar
 
"Are there any questions from the audience at this time?"

Um...I have a question.
What, exactly, was this all about?

it's about Sovereignty.  IMG controls Saturn, PMI controls Jupiter and NHC controls Luna.

Hi BB Goode.
Yeah sorry must look odd to a new player i guess. Its a little about role play, a lot about developing an in-game story-line and asserting some self-regulation on game conduct. The top 3 corps have formed a committee called the Galactic Council to try to regulate our actions within certain zones. (The initial concept was to try to reduce piracy and vandalism to new or starting players before they get a chance to develop their gameplay and standing)

Each member of the council has its representative, similar to the current style of U.N. delegates. We have formed (and agreed to) a set of guidelines and codes of conduct we all believe to be fair.

A child board was developed for this particular topic where pilots can partition to the council with complaints about pilot attacks and to air grievances, to be settled by majority vote among the corp council members. It also keeps this style of role play out of general discussion so it can be more easily followed. (And probably this is where this message should have been posted. This happened when the charter was still fairly new and so there was some overlapping to the story line) The board can be found by clicking on the link that appears under child boards in the general discussion folder

Hope that clears it up a little. Check out our Galactic Council charter in the forums to see what the fuss is all about! ;)
Have a nice day!

Let me see if I have this right...
A bunch of old players have decided to start their own story line, which they don't think new players should be privy too, cause we're too dumb or innocent or uninterested to follow it. These old guys laid claim to the power bodies in the Sol system and divvied them up, though they are supposed to be for new players to develop in. They further started a private, Trilateral Commission type dictatorial body to police themselves from each other, and intimidate lessor players and groups, controlling Sol space, and deciding how newbies will be allowed to develop. I presume that we (the lowly newbie class) will be told when we must go forth like lambs to slaughter for the enjoyment of the power class to plunder. I have read enough other snippets of stuff since getting here to know that some of these elitists think that beating up the lessor players is good "training." (Any justification for a sociopath to de-socio everything in his path, I guess...) :21:

I doubt this is fully accurate, as I chose to quite firmly read between the lines, but I will try to keep up with the secret story line. Though I must say, the best story lines are simple interpretations of the raw history of events. The rest is really sort of a mass delusion for some, and not comprehensible or relevant for the rest.
Still, I love a good story.  B-)
Carry on.

Well,  first of all, the Galactic Council was formed for a number of reasons.  I suggest you read the charter.  The only area the non-members cannot see are the inner council meetings.  Grow, form and active corporation and apply for membership..



Saturn is mined out (zero resources), so there is no reason to be there (other than just taking a peek or transportation missions), Jupiter still has resources and PMI allows open mining, and I believe that [NHC]Morbius allows open mining of Luna.

So, don't read a lot into it, and enjoy the game.

Here is how things have gone.  IMG, a new corporation and PMI a powerful corporation, that was formed from lesser corporations that decided to merge, had a disagreement because one of their founding members before they formed their corp ran off at the mouth to PMI.  A war broke out between the 2. It was kinda long.  It was drug out. Other then a few decent hits and there no one was able to do much to the other due not being able to fight each other. IMG rose up during that time to the game's number 3 alliance. PMI leader (me) decided this all was just pointless now consulted with his mining and navy leaders and decided to discuss a NAP with IMG. After some negotiation a NAP was signed.  After that IMG and PMI began hammering out details for a Galactic Council.  Not for dominating. While PMI likes to raid, IMG hates pirates. Both Corps want to help new players though.  This is what actually brought us to deciding perhaps this was a good idea. We talked with NHC and they agreed. Once all 3 Corporations agreed to the charter the Council was formed.

There are still some things that need working on of course for the charter.  We didn't just divide up the planets.  Morbius already was set up on the moon way back when I first joined. Though he and NHC hasn't made a claim to it, we consider it theirs.  PMI had set up on Jupiter just prior to the signing as had IMG set up on Saturn just prior to it.  PMI does allow mining/harvesting on Jupiter where as IMG does not allow it on Saturn.  PMI does not allow any other stations in orbit besides our own though. The thing you must understand is all the planets in Sol are really pretty dried up as it is anyways. It isn't really just from us. Most of us don't even set up mines in Sol.  

The goal of the Galactic Council is to help out newer players as well as older. PMI despite having some pirates in it, no longer raids in the Sol System. We also don't go around blowing up stuff at random. Also some of our older players are no longer playing so many of our members are relatively new as well.  IMG likely also accepts new players.  My only requirement for joining PMI is you aren't listed as an outlaw, you have 20,000 power and you have finished the tutorial. All pretty things to do.  You don't have to join one of our corps for help though.  PMI doesn't have a problem helping out newer players if they ask. Especially with advice.  IMG will help newer players to move further out in the galaxy so they don't get raided as much.   NHC, well they mostly just keep to themselves these days but they are nice people.  It is possible for other alliances to join the Galactic Council. Though we do have a say if they get in or not. We are still hammering out some details on requirements. But the main ones we look for now is good signs of growth and of course their reputation in the game. For example  Perkele also known as PRKL will never likely be accepted by the GC. Their leader is a pirate and not a very good one. Not even sure how active he has been.  He has been known to try to blow up quite a few things.  He tried harassing Morbius all because IMG blew up the stuff he had on Jupiter for a while. This was back when we were at war with IMG. Now Morb didn't do anything to him.  But he got all mad and vicious and just went after Morb. Didn't do him much good though.  The way he acts is why his alliance will likely never be accepted.

nothing private about the Galactic Council. Its just got its own thread so that players can find information and post information there for discussion without it being lost and diluted in the general chat topics. Corporations who wish in on the Galactic Council are strongly encouraged to take active interest in what we hope will be a fundamental player-governed code of conduct and fair play as the game grows in size and complexity.
When we decided to have a presence within the Sol system, practically anything worth mining in the Sol system was depleted, including reserves on Saturn. As our[IMG] gameplay has always been about getting away from sol (as miners and colonists), it was not an easy decision to move back into Sol System to get involved with its local affairs, but we felt it necessary to show a presence in the system to prove our resolve in stamping out raiding and piracy, particularly wanton acts of destruction by those corps under the banner of "piracy" when in fact they were just blowing stuff up cause it was fun.
First part of that statement, correct. We at [IMG] are against raiding and piracy particularly of the newer players and are in effect here to keep the GREATER players in check, not to intimidate lessor players and corps. Its not about controlling how newbies will be allowed to develop at all. If you wish to develop as part of a raiding regime, I refer you to JamJul's [PMI] corp for advice and tips on how to do it smartly and efficiently. If you choose to be a peaceful dirt digger or gas harvester, adventurer and explorer, feel free to pick our[IMG] brains on how we did it and started out, or even what pushed us into our way of gaming. And lets not forget [NHC] who have been until recently the top corp in game and been around longer than either of [IMG] or [PMI]. I am sure if you post a question in their direction, Goodperson or others (Morbius) will always offer free advice.
Not one of our members conducts raids on any pilots at any time now or in the past while under my corporation banner. If any of my members did infact consider taking a little profit, plunder or enjoyment out of attacking another pilot then they would be immediately dismissed, unless they had an extremely good reasoning for that conduct. I am one of those players that find "beating up on lessors" to be distasteful at the very least, which is what initially lead me to forming a mining and later "anti-pirating" corporation and gathered members who felt equally strong on the subject of subjugation.
To use my own personal example, I was initially beaten to a pulp by certain members of a certain corp early on in my gaming experience here. So much so that all i could do, to limp back into Sol, was to vote for several days to gain enough solars to buy emergency fuel to get there. My only intent when i did arrive at Sol and Earth was to sell all my equipment and donate it to anyone who wanted it and then to quit. Instead me and others similarly treated like this set a resolve to band together and get the heck away from Sol, as far as possible to play the game without harassment by those corporations. Oh, the reason given to me for such harsh treatment? The raiding pirates didnt like the type of resources i was mining so instead destroyed all my holdings! We will never forget our beginnings, which have ultimately come full circle to help form this Galactic Charter, (or code of conduct), so that these sorts of acts will never happen again, or will not go un-noticed and unpunished.
Yeah, payback is a pregnant dog! ;) Naturally, this particular corp[PKRL] is on our all time kill list and will never be removed because of its actions towards our founding members and disregard for pilots properties. OK tit-for-tat can be argued that is not right either, but in a galaxy where there are no intergalactic police, we must form our own form of "rough justice" at times. (Yes i have been called a "vigilante" at one time and by one of the founding council members). Its tough out there, but I hope we make it a bit easier for those who will follow in our footsteps. Not easy being the first pioneers.
Again, there is nothing secret to our Galactic Council, more just a side line for those who want to get involved in player driven politics and gaming. I will put it to "our brethren" though that we should openly post our "secret decisions" in the general area for the public to view and be made aware of, if that is not already happening.
I will use a "for example" where pilot untamed is classified to all members as an outlaw, and can (and most likely will) be engaged by members of the alliance. Of course that pilot can make a petition to that decision for review if he feels that our decision is harsh or unfair. The charter and "how to" sections sets out how to go about being removed as an outlaw. It is not something that is decided on a whimsy. We do try to resolve these things locally and personally first ;)

Thank you though for your input and observation, and interest, in what we "elitists" are up to. The history and rivalry has been quite interesting (and at times painfully dull) between factions and i hope it continues to build and grow more diverse and interesting as the game grows.

How the hell do you "mine out" a gas giant?  :2:

Jupiter has almost had all of it's gases harvested as well. I am not sure if techniquely we can even call these gas giants anymore.  BTW I thought saturn looked looked a little see through there lol

You would do well to listen to the words of the 'vigilante' Dadds, his views on wanton destruction are very similar to my own.  We don't prey on SOL system residents and will not destroy property in any other sector (with exceptions for 'outlaws').  

As far as Saturn being mined out, what would you call a planet that has had all it's resources mined fully.  Saturn is just one of many solar objects to have had all its resources depleated.


[ quote]...Trilateral Commission type dictatorial body to police themselves from each other, and intimidate lessor players and groups, controlling Sol space, and deciding how newbies will be allowed to develop...[/unquote]

Please show me how we are doing all this.


(aside to Capt Dadds,you seem to relish the concept that you are considered a vigilante and wear it like a badge of honor...:grin...)



(edit for the usual reason - spelling)

I read the first response to my question, and as for the intimidating part, I have read Sargas' Comms and looked at his comm screen images. He isn't exactly sunshine and lemonade looking for a weary traveler to bring refreshment to.  :14:


I call it a bad joke. It would take decades upon decades upon decades just to harvest a few miles deep of Jupiter's atmosphere. A bit less to inhale Saturn's. the idea that these, or any medium-to-large gas giant's atmosphere can be depleted in a human life span is just ludicrous...I mean, hilarious...I mean...um...well, both really!
Oh, and by the very studies that are making this game possible at the level of "reality" upon which it is working, Jupiter is  not a really big GG either. So there should be a few truly "unlimited" GGs supplying massive amounts of resources. Veritable Great Lakes-sized watering holes of Atmo harvesting for everyone with a desire to go there.
Just sayin' B-)...

Dadds, please do not tell new people that the only thing they can learn from [PMI] is piracy.  Very few of us engage in piracy anymore and we are experienced in both mining and SOS/COM missions and we are ready and willing to pass on our expertise to any and all (except GC outlaws)...




(edit - because I wanted to, and besides, I had to fix my grammar...

...giggle...)

Sorry Sargas, you either misquote me or misunderstand me.
I was merely referring to new players choosing a path line to their AG career. If a pilot decides they want to become a great raider, then naturally when i look down the list of active, successful raiding teams, i can but merely stop at [PMI] and ask outspoken leader and raider, JamJulLison for advice in such matters of how to get into that industry.
No good coming to ask me about it, my best advice to a budding pirate would be suicide by aloch....alcho....alcohol hic! (though that may be downplaying my knowledge of piracy tactics somewhat, since i have been a victim to its laws and operations for some time....study(know) thy enemy...bushido, way of the warrior LOL)
Not once did i suggest that ALL PMI were a bunch of scurvy currs out for a quick profit, though your leader himself does finger you as a "raider of opportunity"
If the pirate badge doesnt sit comfy with you Sargas and it makes you feel all ickky and uncomfy, knock on the door of a mining & trading corp for sanctuary. There are some great (non-raiding) enterprises and projects on the project board ;)

We got us plenty of non-raiding opportunities here as well.  I think what bothers Sargas is something that has bothered me some since we first met you.  Since the beginning you automatically assumed we were all pirates.  Of course I have hoped over time you have to come to realize that isn't the case.  But you can think how you want.  it doesn't bother me much anymore.  We know what kind of players we are. lol

Sorry i should read the first "P" in PMI as "part-time pirates. Why isnt your corp title  Mining & Pirating Inc then? <shrug>
I dont need to say any more about this. you do it just fine and dandy yourself :P
Sums everything up in a nutshell with that one very simplistic quote :)

Only difference between the two of our corps is that statement holds totally firm with each and every member in our corporation.
what you really should be stating is, "not all of PMI like to raid, some do, some dont, some are motivated by opportunity, others dont really know what they want to do, some are miners that somehow owe allegiance to the pirate king (unpaid bar tab maybe?) and have special permissions to do as they like with no real law or order, some have velcro pirate tags to be removed incase of emergency change of policy or stance or when accused of piracy"
You know, sorry if i am a bit confused by who you guys are but it is understandable since i dont think you guys really know who you are. if some members are not comfy with the piracy tag, DONT JOIN A PIRATE GUILD!! Your rules of governing can only allow me to label you as all (potential) pirates since one moment i could be doing a trade transaction with one of your members who could be also be allowed to pick my pockets for rare delicacies while we are shaking hands on the trade deal. (dont get all too precious on me again Sargas and co, i am not questioning your integrity. Just that PMI policy does allow for that to happen. In fact, it has happened with a violation of the NAP already. When you deal with IMG its different. There are no room for interpretation. Our codes are structured, simple and adhered to by all)
It probably has something to do with the fact that you were 2 or more corps melded together like the coming together of 2 galaxies, and in the mix, the natural order of the new galaxy hasnt quite sorted itself out yet. I believe these things take time, billions of years. We can wait for that time, i am between combat counters at present hahaha
"i never did like the borg and assimilation concept. Too many personalities inside its head computer"

First let me address the NAP situation.  Eloron wasn't paying attention to who he was raiding.  He almost even raided one of our people.  The moment I found out I gave him a small lecture and made it very clear he needs to pay more attention.  I then contacted IMG about this and even paid the victim of the attack 20 QP which was a lot more in value then what was actually lost.

Now for the issue of our corp name.  The reason it is PMI and not MPI is because PMI sounds better. Pirating & Mining, Inc means that we have pirates and miners within our corporation.  Not every pirate is a miner and not every miner is a pirate.  Our corp does also have a set of it's own rules.

1. Everyone must sign up for the forums. Failure to sign up for the forums within 7 days of you joining the corp will result in you being kicked out.

2. No raiding in SOL.

3. If you have a problem with a certain corp or a certain person notify Jam-Jul Lison.

4. When raiding, only do it for profit. No need to commit random acts of destruction unless you want to blow up a SOL Corp NPC Trade Station.

5. Try to show other players respect when communicating with them.

There are also separate guidelines on our forums for Corp Ship Usage.  Then let us not forget we are also bound by the GC Charter.  So we aren't just a lawless rag tag bunch of players.   As for us coming together from separate corporations having a big effect, that actually only had minor issues.

In the beginning we had 2 co-leaders me and Wolf.  There was some friction with that I won't lie but for the most part we ran things alright. Kerbos was in charge of mining, Scion was in charge of the navy and the pirates.  Well Kerbos ended up disappearing on us and Scion left and betrayed us.  So the only one from OX left in the corp was me.  The only one left from Kerbos's old Corp was Bob.  The rest all from Wolf's.  Let me tell you in the beginning I am not sure they trusted me. They were likely unsure of me but had faith in Wolf.  Sargas was promoted to Mining Leader and Mata was made leader of the pirate/navy. Time went on, as did the war we had.  Wolf ended up disappearing on us and I was forced to assume full command of the corporation. It was at this time I learned I had earned the respect of the rest of the corp.  Fast forward to now.  Many of our founding members are gone now. All that is left I think is Me, Mata. Sargas and Bob. Hanuman is currently listed as on leave but he hasn't been on in months.  The last I heard from him he was having some medical issues but was doing better.  But I know he was up in his years so i fear perhaps something may have happened to him.  I do hope he is ok though and someday returns.

People don't follow me cause they owe me anything.  They do it because they come to respect me.  When new players join our Corp I do what I can to help them out.  I show them that I am actually a good guy and want what is best for our Corp.  There are also players who are not even in our corp who message me asking me for advice.  I give it to them and I don't expect anything in return.   To you and some others anyone who is a pirate is a bad guy.  I happen to know that some pirates can be good people with a sense of honor.  I know this because I am this way.  Dadds I have always been true to my word with you and with the Eloron situation I used money out of my own virtual pocket in the game to make it up to your guy because I wanted to right the wrong that was done there.  What pirates we have and the kind I am are not the not a very nice person variety who like to blow stuff up or do it to cause harm to other players.   I do admit in the past I have acted like an not a very nice person a time or two and by doing so I was wrong. I am not proud of myself for that. There was even a period of time I kinda started to get a bit carried away raiding.  That all started to change though once PMI was formed though and I began to take responsibility for my actions as well as for the actions of the rest of PMI.   Now look at where I am.  A responsible leader of PMI and a member of the galactic council alongside someone I once considered my biggest enemy.  While I still don't like you all that much I do hope you and I can work past our differences and continue to get along better.  Both PMI and IMG bring something to the council NHC does not.  NHC, while miners prefer to remain neutral in a lot of things.   PMI is willing to speak out for pirates as well as miners.  IMG on the other hand is strongly against pirating but is supportive of miners.  Mining is the connection both our alliances share.  By both of us being a part of the GC it ensures fair review of cases and decisions on matters.  You have already seen that I don't approve of terrorist activities. If I did approve of them I wouldn't have voted yes to put Untamed on the outlaw list.  Players like him don't do anyone any good.  I think we need too figure out some sort of means to help protect people from pirating.  If you have any ideas on this matter I would love to hear them.

[partial quote Dadds]...since one moment i could be doing a trade transaction with one of your members who could be also be allowed to pick my pockets for rare delicacies while we are shaking hands on the trade deal. (dont get all too precious on me again Sargas and co], i am not questioning your integrity. Just that PMI policy does allow for that to happen. In fact, it has happened with a violation of the NAP already...[/quote]

I hope I am not quoting you out of context, but that type of behavior would be against our (PMI's) charter.  PMI policy does not allow for that type of conduct.  We are an honorable corporation, and  when you question our honor, I read it as also questioning our integrity.  We (PMI) have a NAP with both IMG and NHC and we will never violate them, nor will we violate the Galactic Council Charter; not now, not ever.  If anyone in our corp would do that, they would be seriously disciplined.

I know that one of our people did violate that and JJL took care of it.  I did not approve of the way he handled it, but...  

He is our leader and does is what is best for the corporation.  I prefered allowing a punitive strike by the victim against the aggressor and not pay monetary damages (as per the GC Charter).

Sargas, is that a bat or a hyena?  :21:

Ooops...sorry...you guys were having a squabbling again. My bad.

no just poking some more bears with a stick, BB Goode. In fact, i thought it was a bear at first, but a sort of girlie half bear. Need to consult my taxidermist (or optometrist, always get those two mixed up) Maybe sargas can enlighten us into what he has morphed into (told ya that radiation is a killer)
And JamJul, you know this is only a game right? Sheesh
Anyway, thanks for the history lesson on PMI.
You and I will always be at different ends of the pole. It probably should be that way as well for a good power balance
You took leadership, I assumed it in difficult times for mutual protection
You do raiding, i deplore it.
You dont even need to do it any more because you and i are leaders of the richest corporations in the game, and yet you still do it? It can only be because you enjoy it. Its not even about falling on hard times any more and not having enough income to grow. OK that is your game character, you are a raider.
My game character is as a miner, who went through hard times, at the hands of a raider. Hated raiders to begin with, and learned to hate them even more at their hard "lessons". I did something about it. Partly through good planning, good luck, good timing and a considerable dose of "i really dont care what happens to me anymore" on the brink of (self) destruction, I formed a 1 man corp, messaged to some of those members who were part of the [SOL] starting corp who empathised with my plights and took some mild risks in telling/trusting them to my plans, packed up my bags with as much radon as i could afford and pointed myself in an eni-meeni-mini-mo direction until i got me the hell out of the whole SOL melting pot of degradation and blood sports.
My character became a raider-hater and vowed i would try to help those who also fell on hard times. They followed me. I survived and flourished as a miner and leader of a small band out of sheer necessity.
There is no such thing as a good raider/bad raider to me or my group. No amount of justification will ever make me see a distinction. Sometimes worse than just a raider, is one who openly flouts their trade to others. (Condemned man by his own words)
I survived my early days in the game, but i still sport the scars from those days. We grew. We grew big enough to challenge the  arena.

And now look at us. An entire Galactic Charter and council drawn up and formed as some attempt or measure to stop a similar thing happening to other new players. Even managed to get a great raider-leader to sign off on reducing their corps activities.
For those who havent seen our corporation motto, i shall post it to you here in its first and final form. A creed^1. which has never changed, never altered or wavered during the hardest of times when we were threatened with extinction for being such upstarts

For those who take the time or interest in our ramblings, we are proof positive that a corp can grow from nothing to a corporate power without needing to incorporate PvP or raiding of others to succeed. Not one drop of pilot blood has been spilt by this corp against innocents all trying to get by with the resources out there. I am very proud of this model and more than proud of the hard working team that helped support the efforts to get here.
(and for those who are wondering about real time lines etc, i started playing this game at Christmas time 2012 as a [SOL] pre-grad student, bored with my other gaming and looking for some sort of space economics game of building and development, so just on 7 months. Dont despair at seeing the top power groups, just tackle their numbers 1 step at a time, for all other corporations out there wanting to plant their mark in the stars)

Anyway, to summarize: While there are pirates out there waiving the Jolly Rogers symbol, i will be there putting holes in it wherever i can, in whatever form i can, be it by diplomatic means or something a little more direct and physical ;)

And dont you laugh BB Goode. You re-opened this debate again. You just couldnt leave the wild animals alone, could you? :P
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¹. any system or codification of belief or of opinion.
 

Just saw the movie Wolverine last night, which brings to mind that I will not poke wild animals. They are my friends.

But thieves, scoundrels and scallywags are a different matter altogether. Them I will poke with a stick. And when I am all grown up and have a couple of new members to stand with me, I will shoot them out of the sky...er...scare them away with only minimal damage until grown enough to shoot them out of the sky, and hurl their vile souls into the anguishing deadly cold of deep space. We will record their screams so everyone can hear them scream!  :to_keep_order:

Was that over the top? I think that may have been a tad over the top. :P

Dadds you and your corp also show why it is good to get smart and move further out of 0,0 and even past ring 1.  Your proof it can be done without raiding others. You played it smart and under bigger pressure then even a lot of the newbies and other low ranked players have had to deal with because of the war that broke out.  I know we will always be opposites. That is fine. After all it is why it is good we are both a part of the GC.  The GC needs that kind of balance.  Your right on occasion I do enjoy raiding. But anymore that is mostly just a boredom killers that I don't even bother with doing most of the time.  Still when I do it, i do make sure I will get a profit. If there is no profit I won't even bother even if I am doing it to kill boredom.  I do understand those at a lower level who do it to help them get by though since I have been there myself. I however even in the days when I enjoyed raiding a lot still had a code of honor. I was always a man of my word and still am.  Let me say this Dadds. You unlike any new player who might like to run their mouth off about me, have at least earned my respect. Just because of your experience and all you have done in the game.  Newer players that like to run their mouth or in the case of the non-player AdultGamer haven't been through enough of the game to necessarily understand exactly what it takes to make it. Of course there are some older players who are still stuck in 0,0 because they have been reluctant or just too stubborn to move out of there. Those people who ignore the advice to move from there or are just too stupid to stay there in my opinion shouldn't say anything.  They can blame pirates all they want but if they choose to stay where they know pirates are always going to be raiding, then it is there own fault. You and IMG moved further out and look at you guys now.  New pirates are always going to be coming into the game. Just as new miners are. Those new pirates are naturally going to prey where they can get the most profit. Not to mention some likely don't want to stray too far from home.

BB Goode try not to make too many assumptions about be just from post on the forums. Take the time to get to know me a little better before making your decision. A lot of players who actually take the time to get to know me actually realize I am not that bad. Even Aysle, IMG's 2nd command and their representative to the council has come to realize I am not that bad of a guy.  If I actually were I honestly don't think anyone in PMI would even follow me. lol. If you wish to hunt pirates in your future like IMG feel free to. Just keep in mind we aren't all bad and I do have plans for in the future for trying to deal with other pirates outside of PMI.   No offense to IMG, but sometimes when it comes to catching certain pirates you have to be able to think like one. The crappier ones are easy enough to deal with. They usually end up with longer attack times making it easier to get them. But the smarter ones can be a bit trickier to hit.

The thing about giving each other rope is this: eventually, we will either bind ourselves in friendship, or hang ourselves. I am open-minded.

I think I would rather be not enemies...

You do understand JamJul, that when i play a game, i do get involved in the role playing of that game quite a bit also (i love to play good cop, bad cop. Aysle is my good cop haha) As a leader i have to stand up for every scoundrel on my list, regardless of his or her past (which got us into this shooting contest in the first place lol) As a leader i have to be able to step back and not get too involved with politics or personalities, which is why Aysle is our nominated rep, and not myself. A good captain has to hold himself a little aloof from everything else, so he can make the hard decisions that he must make at times. i am sure if we were to get together as people over a drink we could have a great time and laughter over many topics. In game, i am always going to be here to keep down your criminal activities. my ying to your yang haha
Thankyou for your words of respect, we have worked hard to earn them LOL. By necessity we have grown rapidly as a team. I miss the old days a bit where we were very much an underdog, rag-tag band of colonists and dreamers. I always recall a funny cartoon when i think of my humble starts in this game. The picture shows a swooping eagle coming down for a strike on a mouse, and that mouse is giving the eagle "the bird" (i hope you all know what i mean by that. a finger/hand gesture to indicate...well enough said lol)
Underneath that caption are the words, "The last act of defiance!" hehe
While it wasnt your group to push us into our hatred of pirates, you managed to catch our attention with your forum posts and such, which made you public enemy no 1 in our books lol. The actual group of nasties did also get a little taste of their own in a few well executed strikes by my team, but have since taken all the sport out of it by not actually presenting any targets anymore haha.
As you say, JamJul, if you dont like being raided, get the heck out of the zone. Admittedly, its not that easy to do early on. I think to be honest, the only reason i managed to do it was i was going to quit anyway, so like a madman i just packed up what bits i could, spun the dice on a direction and pushed my vessel to a one-way trip. A little reckless. i didnt have all the math, no nav charts and very little clue about game dynamics, other than it was a dog-eat-dog world back in the sol arena. (i got that one early on in the game. didnt take too long to work out resources vs players to decide a life of solitude was for me) luckily for me i did mention to a few of my college buddies from sol academy of my plans, and they PM'ed me to be a part of it.

On the subject of AdultGamer, i must admit finding the desire to come to your defence on a few postings i did come across. However i think by the time i spotted them, they seemed closed to posting a reply. I wasnt particularly impressed with him telling you what you can and cant do in the game at the start, without actually playing the game, and was also incredibly incorrect (ie, you dont have worm-hole tech when you come out of sol academy) Some of his beliefs in the game was somehow derived from reading only forum postings without even creating a character? Maybe Sir Emi should look at closing the Astro-galaxy forums to only players with characters in the game. It was probably the first time since i have known you, JamJul, that i was actually going to come out to defend you haha. So whether i like you or not in your gamestyle of play, I will agree with you when it comes to game dynamics. i thought your replies to him were very controlled. I would have torn into him with my usual flame-style postings which got us locked into a war-of-words haha.
Reading BB Goodes postings, i think we have another smart player in the makings, and i look forward to seeing how he grows and develops in the game. I also do love seeing someone else poke at the critters every now and then. Takes the heat and attention from me sometimes lol
Naturally, if he wants to borrow a stick, he can have mine for a bit haha
"In space, you cannot hear their screams"
Not sure which space movie horror that quote is from, or even if its totally quoted correctly. Its been a long time and probably a B class movie at best lol It will come to me, like old age and Alzheimers lol
I look forward to the day when the game is buzzing with activity and players, and corporations. Hopefully it will happen in my "lifetime"

I think the quote comes from the marketing of Alien. I may be wrong about that, but I believe that is it.

As for the the rest, we will see. I don't feel smart after my last little foray into deep space. And I am finding recruiting hard, since no one seems to want to stay around more than about two days here. Perhaps billing the site as still in beta would help?

Recruiting can be quite hard.  There are a lot of inactives in the game and it can be tricky finding out who is active and who isn't. Then there are also people who refuse to join any Corp.


Dadds I know you like to RP a character when you play a game. That is fine for you. Me I don't typically do that.  I play the game as myself. In the past I have let my dark side out a little when it came to my early days of raiding and occasionally destroying. But I am since passed that.  I am just being myself on here and in the game. If I allowed myself to even RP as I used to back in the days of msn groups, you would find me an evil SOB. lol. Chances are I wouldn't even be an alliance leader and would just be randomly going around destroying anything I could.  That is something I am sure none of us want. lol

B-Class? B-CLASS? Sir I take offfense (not really) that anyone would refer to "Alien" as a B-class movie. No harm done though. It is an old film though, still it's good.

Actual quote: "In space no one can hear you scream."

So, Captain BB_Goode, you really reopened this particular can of worms...

@Dadds - I was chased out of Sol proper and out of 0,0 by members of [OX] (Scion and JamJul-Lison).  I fled into the deep northeast woods and was mining sector 3,1 when wolfdoc asked for information about a third party.  We communicated and [GDI] was formed, then I awoke and found I was now a member of [PMI], and who was my leader?

Yes, indeed the same JJL that made me run away from the only home I ever knew.  wolfdoc convinced me to wait it out and see what happens.

The jury is still out...

 :19:

Well the formation of PMI was probably the best thing for GDI.  Assides from you and mata, all of GDI"s founding members have all seem to have all gone inactive.  Then again so has most of PMI's original members except for us and I think Bob lol. It's sad to have seen so many people end up quitting. Hanuman I am particularly concerned with because the last I heard from him his health wasn't too well.  It was mostly cause of him I created the on leave rank that we could put the inactives in and anyone else who needed to be away from the game for a while. 

@Sargas: Its a very involved story PMI weaves there. No wonder you guys are a bit confused and fractured. Thankfully our team was formed from a single mind-set so we are all working in the same direction, at very different speeds ;)
"Time is a relative? No wait, TIME is related? darn it, the answer is there somewhere" ;)

There is no such thing as time.
"Its all the same f**king day, man."---Janice Joplin
 L:)

My main concert at the moment has been helping our newer members to become stronger.  In general becoming stronger and more self productive is the main thing.   I admit our history is a bit complicated.  The reason the merger happened and PMI was formed was because I was originally talking with another player who brought up the idea that Pirating and Mining together could be productive.  This was actually the former leader of EIMC I was talking to before he left the game. He was trying to get me to join his Corp though. I then decided to just start my own alliance. I came up with the name.  I then started discussing the idea with Wolfdoc and he liked it. So we ended up deciding on the merger. I honestly am not sure how much he had discussed with his own people before the merger. I talked Scion (bad idea) into joining. Another top corp that only had 2 active members also joined in. Kerbos was the leader of it.  In the end the idea of the alliance was a good idea.  For the most part many of us are on the same page. We have similar plans and goals. Though how we obtain them does differ. Though the leadership of PMI tend to just do SOS missions and COMs. Sargas though does enjoy mining.  Bob is usually off on his own mining but I got no issues with that.  Being one of the founding members of PMI, if he wishes to do so I won't say anything. The hardest part is getting new members on board things.  For instance I have been teaching them how to do SOS missions as well as explaining the importance of VIP. I even buy them their first month of it. Most are like me when I played in regards to VIP.  They think they don't need it.  Once they see what it does for them though I think they realize just how good it is to have it.  I am really glad Wolfdoc talked me into getting it back in the day.  We do seem to be getting a lot more new members here lately. I think in a 2 day period a few weeks ago we had 3 new members.

Peace time does attract new recruits for sure. Things are pretty cozy right  now for the top corps. Sorta like the dinosaurs. We are given heaps of time to grow and no predators to stunt our development; until that fateful day of the comet blast from God lol

So true lol.  Here before long I am going to be proposing we do something about the inactives that are filling up sol and other places. I got ideas for how to figure out if someone is active. When I get time off work I will try to do it. Well either time off work or if I quit. I am really hating my store manager.