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Title: You guys active?
Post by: FreezeLove on May 29, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
Could any pilots active from Perkele, Stellar Trade Federation, pirate police, East Indi Mining Corporation and Starbender Enterprises please contact me in game or through the forums thank you.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: sargas on May 29, 2014, 11:45:28 PM
the PP seems to be active.  I have been in contact with them recently.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JamJulLison on May 29, 2014, 11:46:29 PM
Could any pilots active from Perkele, Stellar Trade Federation, pirate police, East Indi Mining Corporation and Starbender Enterprises please contact me in game or through the forums thank you.

Prql are pretty much dead. Have been a long while. Their former leader was also on a lot of people's hit list.

I haven't heard from anyone in Steller trade federation in a long while.

Pirate Police only have like one active member and he is stubborn to stay where he is. He wants to continue to go after pirates.

EIMC is another dead corp. Their former leader before he quit the game was a friend of mine on here. The new guy put in charge was on a lot of people's hit list. Their members pretty much all quit or moved on to other corps. Their leader their eventually quit playing as well.

Starbender is another one I haven't heard from in a long time. Not really sure what happened to them. Their leader  Qwazar hasn't been on in over a 1000 hours.



Your facing one of the things that makes getting together a good active corp is so difficult. Some manage it. Others give up on it. Many as I can tell end up leaving the game themselves. This is why I advise some people against it.  As much as I would love to see a bunch of active alliances. Right now it just isn't doable. The game's lucky it has as many as it has. Others could fall themselves. Even the best of the best eventually fail. It isn't making things any easier either. Without active corps and active players the game can't survive. So the player we got need to stick together in the same way but also being apart.  We may make jokes about wishing a certain player would quit. Sometime's they aren't always jokes. But in reality we all need each other if we want the game to succeed and get better. Cause even if our most hated enemy goes away, it will hurt the game in some way.  For example the Dadds and Raph's hatred of one another.  Both want each other gone. Thing is if say Raph quit. Dadds might find less reason to come online anymore. He might get bored and quit himself.  If say Dadds quit. Raph would find there isn't really to keep things interesting for him. No one else really feels like fighting him anymore. It doesn't interest us. Raph might get bored himself and quit.  Or he could decide to try to stir things up and just start going after anyone he thinks he can pick a fight with. This of course works but then it gets more people agitated. Some might quit there. They say he ruined the game. Others unite to get together. Then some start to lose interest. surrender or make peace somehow.  eventually it is down to a small group still fighting. Then one or both get tired of it all and either quit right a way or get bored and quit a little while later. So then you get back into the same situation it was in after the raph and dadds thing ended over one suddenly quitting. Only the player base is much smaller after that.  Making it that much harder for us to maintain independent corps. Which is of course what the game needs.  We need to do our part to try to help get new players into the game. We also need SirEmi to move along with the updates. lol. He is doing much better though now then he was with them. Though right now I don't see it helping as much as the game needs. It is helping to keep some of us from quitting. But it isn't enough to help get people to stick around.  Some updates such as the pledge system might make a new player feel intimidated. Many don't realize QP later on will be bought with solars. Not real money. So they think that to do well in this game you have to be super hard core or a money spender. Which of course isn't true either. That is why I try to educate some of them. Unfortunately some take it as me trying to act like I know everything. Or they take it that I am insulting them when all I am trying to do is help. Once you learn things and begin to know a lot more, the more you can actually do in the game. Their are of course some people who just shoot right up.  Sometimes they pass up older players. Take when I first started. When I came in I wasn't sure if I could ever catch up to these others. Some that were ahead of me at that time. Mata was far ahead of course. I have come up much further then I think either of us thought possible. Sargas was ahead of me. I had Wolfdoc ahead, Goodperson, Morbius and many others. Some I passed up cause they quit. Others it just happened.    Now look at Dadds.  Our powers were so far apart when the first war broke out that we had to look huge to them. But they surprised us and grew to be powerful.  Their leader Dadds in paticuler did well. Tech wise he is equal to me in some ways. Other ways he is better. In a few I may be better. He is one I grew to respect. Of course we all know what happened with that. Another big upstart is Raph.  His leap to the front surprised us all. Of course though then we later learned how he did it. Our way of thinking on ships was we wanted ships that could survive PVP type fighting as well as PVE.  His way of thinking was that he just wanted to make as much as fast as he could and as cheap as he could. He did what we didn't want to do. He started building large boarding ships. Of course when he got up there with us, he had already made himself some enemies due to past actions. So it lead to us learning that his ships didn't do as well as he had hoped in pvp combat. Still he learned from that. Now his ship designs are much better. He even learned to play much smarter from us going after him as well. That is why I try not to underestimate anyone now.  Who knows when we might see another good player come along?  It needs all the good players it can get.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: sargas on May 29, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
well said JJ.

The Starbender founder BB_GOODE has been missing for over 3500 hours now.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: FreezeLove on May 30, 2014, 09:25:59 PM
I see thanks guys, I have been wondering of late about the bottom half of the corp list figured if any checked the forums they would see the post. I also figured some of you veteran players would give some information on the subject. Its disheartening but understandable I suppose.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Rostin on June 09, 2014, 06:45:17 PM
Is the New Earth Alliance still active?


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: sargas on June 09, 2014, 10:41:58 PM
it doesn't look like it.  they have one member (strength 9,706) and two wannabe's.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Dadds on July 11, 2014, 03:03:29 PM
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For example the Dadds and Raph's hatred of one another.  Both want each other gone.
Again you make a comment that has absolutely no truth. Since when have i ever said i want Raph gone from game? Its your dialogue and guesses that really ticks me off JamJul. Quit using me and my name as a scape-goat or as fact when there is none. Dont mention my corp again in one of your tirades.
I keep asking you to retract your commentary which is obviously biased and you dont. No wonder people want to shoot you, in particular me.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JamJulLison on July 14, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
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For example the Dadds and Raph's hatred of one another.  Both want each other gone.
Again you make a comment that has absolutely no truth. Since when have i ever said i want Raph gone from game? Its your dialogue and guesses that really ticks me off JamJul. Quit using me and my name as a scape-goat or as fact when there is none. Dont mention my corp again in one of your tirades.
I keep asking you to retract your commentary which is obviously biased and you dont. No wonder people want to shoot you, in particular me.



From how you act it seems like you want Raph gone.  I apologize if I was wrong on that.  As for not mentioning your corp, I will say whatever the hell I want.  No amount of strong arming or bullying will stop that.  If I have an opinion I will share it.  As for people wanting to shoot me, your the only one on here wanting to do that. No one else is wanting to go to war with me.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JoolzVern on July 14, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Jam is right. It's hard to find good and active players. We tend to hover around 60 and 70% (daily)activity, partly because I never kicked Jazzbob and a few others. When Freeze was with us we often were at 80% a few times there but he and others come and go.

So a big problem for many corps(which make the leaders leave also as Jam noted) is player retention. If someone has enough interest/time to play a while and give a good corp leader a shot there's a much better chance they'll stick around a while and be a regular player. Unfortuanately many still get bored but it seems like most get bored and split before the SEA course is over or shortly after. This is the point where some encouragement and a boost from a good corp can get them out of Sol and really enjoying the game. So I've been trying to reach out to those newbies and at least give them some encouragement and let them know what to expect etc.

Player retention is is a big issue for the game and ITO. I'm in favor of the updates like nova possibly appealing to mining types and helping this but maybe other engaging features would help and brainstorming such things may be in order. As a corp leader myyself I think the best approach other than that encouragement/guidance is to have a friendly and engaging environment in the corp where players feel welcome and enjoy being part of the team.

I keep asking you to retract your commentary which is obviously biased and you dont. No wonder people want to shoot you, in particular me.

Biased? Yours isn't the only corp Jam sized up as whatever kind of stagnant or inadequate as he saw it and he gave no indication of bias. He shared his reasons for his opinion and none of them indicated he was biased against corps run by Australians or you in particular etc. Privately I happen to know he even held you in somewhat high regard. You simply made up a paranoid delusion where he was siding with your enemies by giving his objective opinion. His commentary is biased only in that it's one sided as it's from his perspective as an outsider and fellow corp leader looking at other corps and if you have a problem with it that's your problem.

Regardless of this fact, your asking anyone to retract an objective comment as though it's defamatory is so intolerant, childish, and totalitarian that I find it very hard to beleive anyone here is going to take ever you seriously again. You're not doing yourself any favors by making it everyone else's problem, becoming a totalitarian that thinks he can tell people what to do or say and throw a tantrum and shoot them when he doesn't get his way.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: lisunken on July 15, 2014, 12:05:35 AM
Joolzvern and jam I agrees with you both there are an major problem in recruitment. I list some of the problem I see.

1.) We do not know who is active in sol (sol corp) to recruit.
2.) There are no interaction or open communication with any caption. just thru the forum. I do not known any new player read the post.
3.) It is hard for new player get out from sol. all the space are take up by player that left or labs which no one can mine. no where to growth.

I think we need to work with Emi to able bring in new player and keep them in the game.




Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Rostin on July 15, 2014, 06:03:14 AM
We need the mentoring program. .


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Dadds on July 15, 2014, 10:49:59 AM
Hey Joolz. I am not going to post your dialog here because its just a waste of time explaining all that goes on. However, the simple fact is by posting "an opinion" about a corp or other from such an esteemed blowhard like Jamjul, convinces other player to join or not to join, a corporation. i didnt see him rating his corp as one that has had many defects, theft, issues of leadership, leaders removed and basically an unstable corporation....so the bias is there. There is no corporation that can fairly judge every corp including themselves. Except JamJul apparently?
He was rated as a friend once, and betrayed that, by openly posting his position vs my position to further his corporation cause and belittle mine. His constant critique has been harder vs my corp vs any other corp, including the corp he once voted on to add to an outlaw list. Then all the sycophants jump in to add fuel to the fire and fan the flames, You were the first.
Now he sits on permanent ignore because of his verbal attacks on me and my corp which includes "dont join IMG or you will be attacked", while trying to justify his reasoning. I dont give a d**n about his reasoning or his opinion. I expect if a so called friend says, "hey, remove that, not happy" then as a friend they would do it. Not JamJul. He will argue the point as to why he has a right to say what he wants....very well...i acknowledge his right. It seems though that i am not allowed to be offended by that opinion, and to take action which includes giving the opinion-giver a bloody nose.
You all chose to bash me for my choice of action. So be it. When i joined this game i saw the exact same thing where jamjul and others drove players from this game via the forums. I see a similar thing happening here.
The only difference here is i am not easily bullied. My fleet stands by now for Armageddon. Expect nothing else but total carnage til you all relent.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: raphael on July 15, 2014, 12:59:05 PM
To all new players, don't join IMG. All top corps have now declared war against it. And whatever happens in the future, my corp SSS will always be killing IMG members. You have been warned.

-The One Above All


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JamJulLison on July 15, 2014, 01:26:32 PM
Hey Joolz. I am not going to post your dialog here because its just a waste of time explaining all that goes on. However, the simple fact is by posting "an opinion" about a corp or other from such an esteemed blowhard like Jamjul, convinces other player to join or not to join, a corporation. i didnt see him rating his corp as one that has had many defects, theft, issues of leadership, leaders removed and basically an unstable corporation....so the bias is there. There is no corporation that can fairly judge every corp including themselves. Except JamJul apparently?
He was rated as a friend once, and betrayed that, by openly posting his position vs my position to further his corporation cause and belittle mine. His constant critique has been harder vs my corp vs any other corp, including the corp he once voted on to add to an outlaw list. Then all the sycophants jump in to add fuel to the fire and fan the flames, You were the first.
Now he sits on permanent ignore because of his verbal attacks on me and my corp which includes "dont join IMG or you will be attacked", while trying to justify his reasoning. I dont give a d**n about his reasoning or his opinion. I expect if a so called friend says, "hey, remove that, not happy" then as a friend they would do it. Not JamJul. He will argue the point as to why he has a right to say what he wants....very well...i acknowledge his right. It seems though that i am not allowed to be offended by that opinion, and to take action which includes giving the opinion-giver a bloody nose.
You all chose to bash me for my choice of action. So be it. When i joined this game i saw the exact same thing where jamjul and others drove players from this game via the forums. I see a similar thing happening here.
The only difference here is i am not easily bullied. My fleet stands by now for Armageddon. Expect nothing else but total carnage til you all relent.


All this coming from a bully himself. I have always been outspoken. You have also always made your vs positions clear to the public. Which is why I never minded sharing them. You didn't complain to me about it either.   Our friendship was ended when you didn't like what I had to say and declared war on me,. I am on the ignore list because I was requesting you come to your senses and realize I was just sharing my opinion.  I wasn't assaulting your corp, I wasn't editing my post and that declaring war over this reason was just stupid.  I never tried to flame you in the game.  Hell I bit my tongue so much about you over the time we were allies.  The reason I never said as much about Raph though is because you were the one that had such a huge issue with Raph. It was never the rest of us.  I went along with you on it because you were my ally and I thought you were my friend.  I had to talk a lot of people into seeing things your way on Raph. After leaving the GC I still continued to pursue Raph because you and I were friends. But after you decided to declare war on TGE,  I realized I got no reason to be Raph's enemy anymore.    As for not being objective about my own corp. I can do that too.

TGE has had it's share of problems. Here is just some examples.

1. Shortly after our first war with IMG began, my fellow Co-Leader Wolfdoc ended up vanishing. Not sure what happened.

2. We have had quite a few people quit over time.

3. Just after forming the GC, madmark31 left PMI.  Prior to quitting he said he didn't like the GC and felt like he had no say in the charter. He could have of course contacted me about stuff he didn't like. The charter was worked on and negotiated on right on our corp forums. After leaving he ignored all my messages asking why he had left.  Yeah he hadn't bothered to notify me.   So I ended up blowing up a space station he had worked hard to create that I knew about. To this day he is still on my personal KOS list.  I won't hunt him down but I will hit him when I see him.

4. Another big incident was actually a combination of stuff when Sargas left. The biggest thing being the theft of modules by mata.  I ended up blowing up one of sargas's stations.  In the end I got some marines back that were stolen and we maintained peace.  Around the same time Sin also left. He tried going out on his own. Got bored. Decided he wanted to quit the game. He donated all his modules to TGE before he left.  We are still working on putting them all to use. Gronk also left. Not sure what was his reason. He never replied or anything.  I think he's just become a loner.


Every corp has their share of problems. However as things stand with TGE now, we are a good active corp.  We survived our hardships.  Unlike IMG, we are not lead by a war hungry paranoid Sociopath. Raph who some of us thought may be war hungry, has proven in fact that he is not near as far gone that path as you.  I have given accurate fair assessments of every corp.  Though I do understand that not everyone can accept the truth when it is thrown right in their face.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Dadds on July 15, 2014, 02:04:45 PM
and notice in all those things that was occurring, who was there to help mediate? and now you all wish to turn on me as is evident in game as well as on forums? Most of you at best are just weak individuals, so i hold no grudges. You are just cattle or worse, being herded to which ever butcher will take you in, to be slaughtered humanely. How many frikkin' times do i have to say, "stop badmouthing my corp or face a war" before you all realize i am not joking. You assume to know me? What a laugh. You want to talk about war mongering JamJul? when you almost drove me to quit as a noob along with your PRKL mates who systematically destroyed everything i had? How you then chose to war vs me because 1 of my members had somehow upset you with a bad word before they became our member? You told me not to be an upstart etc and how much more powerful you were than me?
Funny how your memory fades on who is the warmonger. I started this game and wanted to be left alone. Apparently, that wasnt good enough for you lot. Now when you get it back in your fade, you go all cry-baby and cry foul that i am the bad guy. Raphael started game in the same manor. posting how profitable piracy was and raiding others, including my corp. you want to talk about FIRST BLOOD?
how do you see me as a bully for standing up to all the top corps? Maybe its an American thing where anyone who stands up for themselves is not allowed and you classify as a bully. lol. (with disdain) for those who dont know what that word mean, or may interpret my comment wrong, here it is:
disdain
dɪsˈdeɪn,-z-/Submit
noun
1.
the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect.
Again, IMG has never had a defaulter or quitter. I explained things to you in private about personal issues of my crew, and you chose to take it to forums to say we are a slumping corp.
Now this slumping corp has mobilized. expect a lot of combat reports hitting your inbox


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JamJulLison on July 15, 2014, 05:38:13 PM
and notice in all those things that was occurring, who was there to help mediate? and now you all wish to turn on me as is evident in game as well as on forums? Most of you at best are just weak individuals, so i hold no grudges. You are just cattle or worse, being herded to which ever butcher will take you in, to be slaughtered humanely. How many frikkin' times do i have to say, "stop badmouthing my corp or face a war" before you all realize i am not joking. You assume to know me? What a laugh. You want to talk about war mongering JamJul? when you almost drove me to quit as a noob along with your PRKL mates who systematically destroyed everything i had? How you then chose to war vs me because 1 of my members had somehow upset you with a bad word before they became our member? You told me not to be an upstart etc and how much more powerful you were than me?
Funny how your memory fades on who is the warmonger. I started this game and wanted to be left alone. Apparently, that wasnt good enough for you lot. Now when you get it back in your fade, you go all cry-baby and cry foul that i am the bad guy. Raphael started game in the same manor. posting how profitable piracy was and raiding others, including my corp. you want to talk about FIRST BLOOD?
how do you see me as a bully for standing up to all the top corps? Maybe its an American thing where anyone who stands up for themselves is not allowed and you classify as a bully. lol. (with disdain) for those who dont know what that word mean, or may interpret my comment wrong, here it is:
disdain
dɪsˈdeɪn,-z-/Submit
noun
1.
the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect.
Again, IMG has never had a defaulter or quitter. I explained things to you in private about personal issues of my crew, and you chose to take it to forums to say we are a slumping corp.
Now this slumping corp has mobilized. expect a lot of combat reports hitting your inbox


You are a freaking moron.  We never had anything to do with PRQL actions. Hell we disliked them almost as much as you did.  Our first war was over the fact that one of your people declared war on us over a couple simple hits before joining you. I informed you on the forums and then all hell broke lose.  Which one of us was it that wanted to sign a NAP to end that war to begin with?  It was me. You didn't want it. Your number 2 helped talk you into it.  As for me being your enemy. I didn't turn on you. You turned on me.  For whatever reason people on your side left the game, fact is they left it.  I never said that was your fault. But with only 2 active members at the time, this was before jake came back,  your corp appeared to be in a slump to me. You could have defended why it wasn't.  But you didn't. You decided to try to bully me into editing or removing my post.  I don't take bullying very well. So I refused and after refusing several times you declared war on me.   Yes you did help mediate the whole mata theft situation. This was when I was in the GC. I never asked you to but I appreciated it.  I have never said you didn't ever do anything good.  But your more recent actions have pretty much made us forget about those. Simply because they are bigger.  I didn't give my opinion of your corp to upset you. Not originally when I posted. Nor when I said slump that first time.  I could have said much worse but I held back because you were my friend.  Since you ended that friendship by declaring war on TGE, I no longer have to hold back on what I say.  Now you are also saying stop bad mouthing IMG or face war?  Wasn't it war you declared on us already? I believe it was.  So please shut your mouth and stop making yourself look like an idiot.  I know you are a smart person.  Your smarter then this. You and IMG are in this situation right now because of your own actions. Not ours.  TGE never declared this war.  IMG did. Just as IMG declared war on ITO and even SSS all that time back.  For that matter you more or less declared war on EoS as well.  Your actions have made us your enemies. 

As for people sticking up for themselves. That is what I was doing when you tried to bully me into editing/removing my original review about your corp.  When act like you are so great and stick up for yourself. Like your the victim. But yet you don't want us expressing our opinions if you don't like what we have to say. Trying to suppress what we have to say is itself a form of censoring and bullying. So all we are doing is standing up to ourselves when we refuse to cave in. I don't try to bully people into quitting or into thinking the way i want them to think. I want more active players. The game needs it.  I don't expect everyone to share the same opinion that I do. That said however I can't ignore the actions you have taken.  Declaring war on people with no good reason.  Trying to bully people into doing things your way.  I believe you want peace, but only in the way you see towards it. Perfect order with allegiance to you. No one disagreeing with you.  That just isn't going to happen.  I want peace myself and I know it will never be accomplished your way.  But of course your happy with this too since you seem to like war as well.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JoolzVern on July 15, 2014, 09:33:02 PM
However, the simple fact is by posting "an opinion" about a corp or other from such an esteemed blowhard like Jamjul, convinces other player to join or not to join, a corporation.(So?) i didnt see him rating his corp as one that has had many defects, theft, issues of leadership, leaders removed and basically an unstable corporation....so the bias is there.(He assessed current status- the focus was not so much on past history) There is no corporation that can fairly judge every corp including themselves.(Nobody said otherwise) Except JamJul apparently? (He did his best to give an objective opinion and you childishly act like he's pretending to be the supreme judge when he's simply giving his perspective on the corps)
He was rated as a friend once, and betrayed that, by openly posting his position vs my position to further his corporation cause and belittle mine.(Nobody belittled you yet you childishly act as though having a different opinion is a betrayal) His constant critique has been harder vs my corp vs any other corp, including the corp he once voted on to add to an outlaw list. Then all the sycophants jump in to add fuel to the fire and fan the flames, You were the first.(Yes, I simply told you that you should calm down, which for you is adding fuel to the fire and fanning the flames of your flaming flamboyantly clownish behavior)
..... I expect if a so called friend says, "hey, remove that, not happy" then as a friend they would do it.(I expect friends to never make such a dishonorable request as to ask me to censor myself for saying I think they aren't doing too well.)  ... It seems though that i am not allowed to be offended by that opinion, and to take action which includes giving the opinion-giver a bloody nose. (You're allowed, it's just not justified. Act like a child getting offended and violent all you like but you still don't have a legitimate reason to act that way.)
You all chose to bash me for my choice of action. So be it. When i joined this game i saw the exact same thing where jamjul and others drove players from this game via the forums. I see a similar thing happening here.
The only difference here is i am not easily bullied. My fleet stands by now for Armageddon. Expect nothing else but total carnage til you all relent.



Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Dadds on July 17, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
Seriously, do you guys read the crap you actually post before posting it? Do you seriously think that is the way things pan out? Delusional. The history is there for all to read.
You want to wave your flag to give opinion, but that doesnt give you the right to slander another corporation or leader, to gain advantage for yourself without repercussion. When you post crap like, "dont join IMG" then you can darn well expect a fight over that. Not once have i ever posted an opinion bias such as that, and never will. Thats the difference between me and the rest of you who chose to post against my actions. I have standards, fundamental rights and wrongs which dictate who i am. You change your situation and policy to suit yourself. No honour there, and therefore no time for you mob anymore.
@ Joolz, your biggest mistake is just having an opinion and trying to become a player when you are a little speck. you show no respect and so deserve none. you are beneath contempt. Next time when two people choose to disagree, i would suggest keeping the hell out of the way or face the fall-out. You will either learn from that mistake, or Darwin's theory of natural selection will likely remove your line from history. I am backing Darwin.
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Yes, I simply told you that you should calm down, which for you is adding fuel to the fire and fanning the flames of your flaming flamboyantly clownish behavior
to quote you there Joolz, you sided with him but also attempted to hi-jack and claim for yourself the thing i created in union with others. You were the one to try to gather others to declare under the GC banner to declare me public enemy #1. Way to calm down a person. Intellectual theft and turning everything i created and believed in against me.
You think forum bullying is going to make me go away? Its actually making me hang around and now i am going to do exactly what you are all doing to me, by adversely affecting my game.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: raphael on July 17, 2014, 12:16:40 PM
When you post crap like, "dont join IMG" then you can darn well expect a fight over that.

dont join IMG

Can I expect a fight now? Coz all you're doing is running away from me. bwahahahaha


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: sargas on July 18, 2014, 12:11:37 AM
OMG, Rafe, do you really believe him?


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: sargas on July 18, 2014, 12:45:39 AM
Hey Joolz. I am not going to post your dialog here because its just a waste of time explaining all that goes on. However, the simple fact is by posting "an opinion" about a corp or other from such an esteemed blowhard like Jamjul, convinces other player to join or not to join, a corporation. i didnt see him rating his corp as one that has had many defects, theft, issues of leadership, leaders removed and basically an unstable corporation....so the bias is there. There is no corporation that can fairly judge every corp including themselves. Except JamJul apparently?
He was rated as a friend once, and betrayed that, by openly posting his position vs my position to further his corporation cause and belittle mine. His constant critique has been harder vs my corp vs any other corp, including the corp he once voted on to add to an outlaw list. Then all the sycophants jump in to add fuel to the fire and fan the flames, You were the first.
Now he sits on permanent ignore because of his verbal attacks on me and my corp which includes "dont join IMG or you will be attacked", while trying to justify his reasoning. I dont give a d**n about his reasoning or his opinion. I expect if a so called friend says, "hey, remove that, not happy" then as a friend they would do itactually as a friend, I would want to know why it offends you and;  As friends, we would sit down and talk about any issues we have.  WTF is wrong?. Not JamJul. He will argue the point as to why he has a right to say what he wants....very well...i acknowledge his right. It seems though that i am not allowed to be offended by that opinion, and to take action which includes giving the opinion-giver a bloody nose.
You all chose to bash me for my choice of action. So be it. When i joined this game i saw the exact same thing where jamjul and others drove players from this game via the forums. I see a similar thing happening here.
The only difference here is i am not easily bullied. My fleet stands by now for Armageddon. Expect nothing else but total carnage til you all relent.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JamJulLison on July 18, 2014, 02:21:45 AM
Seriously, do you guys read the crap you actually post before posting it? Do you seriously think that is the way things pan out? Delusional. The history is there for all to read.
You want to wave your flag to give opinion, but that doesnt give you the right to slander another corporation or leader, to gain advantage for yourself without repercussion. When you post crap like, "dont join IMG" then you can darn well expect a fight over that. Not once have i ever posted an opinion bias such as that, and never will. Thats the difference between me and the rest of you who chose to post against my actions. I have standards, fundamental rights and wrongs which dictate who i am. You change your situation and policy to suit yourself. No honour there, and therefore no time for you mob anymore.
@ Joolz, your biggest mistake is just having an opinion and trying to become a player when you are a little speck. you show no respect and so deserve none. you are beneath contempt. Next time when two people choose to disagree, i would suggest keeping the hell out of the way or face the fall-out. You will either learn from that mistake, or Darwin's theory of natural selection will likely remove your line from history. I am backing Darwin.
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Yes, I simply told you that you should calm down, which for you is adding fuel to the fire and fanning the flames of your flaming flamboyantly clownish behavior
to quote you there Joolz, you sided with him but also attempted to hi-jack and claim for yourself the thing i created in union with others. You were the one to try to gather others to declare under the GC banner to declare me public enemy #1. Way to calm down a person. Intellectual theft and turning everything i created and believed in against me.
You think forum bullying is going to make me go away? Its actually making me hang around and now i am going to do exactly what you are all doing to me, by adversely affecting my game.


He did all that after you betrayed him by declaring war on him.  He was still your ally. He just gave his opinion. He was not trying to disrespect you.  Nor was I when I reviewed your corp initially. I was being as objective as I could. Yours wasn't the first corp to go into a slump. Saying a slump isn't a bad thing either.  NHC was in a slump for a long time. They are still recovering from it. They don't take any offense when we say it. They know we aren't trying to insult them. I wasn't trying to insult you either.  I am not trying to be bias with you. I am simply observing your actions and calling things as I see them.  It's just like with Raph.  When we declared him an outlaw, at the time he looked like he could potentially be a serious threat.  I agreed with you completely on him. I even talked my corp into going along with the decision.  I left the GC cause as time passed it looked like no matter how much I tried to make the GC work, it wasn't going to. You yourself ignored some issues and didn't bother to check the GC board itself.  ITO was new to the GC and was trying, but it would have taken more effort from everyone to work.  In the end I think the game just wasn't ready for an organization like the GC. I don't think it will be for a long time.  Ever after TGE left, I continued to help you go after Raph.  Even though I didn't really see him as a threat to innocents anymore, I still went after him because you were my friend and I wanted to help.  After you declared war on us over a simple matter of opinion, I saw no reason for him to be my enemy anymore. The only reason why you are my enemy is because you decided to be.  You act like I am a big bad evil pirate. I am not the one going around declaring war on people because I don't like what they have to say.  I may not always get along with some of these other players, but i don't declare war on them.  For example I didn't like how Raph decided to push me off Jupiter so rudely. But I didn't declare war.  Rather instead since it was Rostin attempting the attack, I simply brought in a ship and jumped him. Then packed up my stuff and left.  I even messaged Raph about it all.  As you can see neither of us declared war.  Hell i now chat with Rostin on facebook from time to time.  He seems like a pretty good guy. He has even told me you don't seem as bad as you tend to act on here.  When we were at peace and you and I chatted I thought the same about you.  I know your not all that bad. But I can't just ignore your actions either.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Rostin on July 18, 2014, 06:25:03 AM
That actually wasn't me :) it was dragonfly


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JamJulLison on July 18, 2014, 06:36:48 AM
That actually wasn't me :) it was dragonfly


Your right. My bad.  lol.  I am pretty sleepy and my memory is still fuzzy. lol


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: Dadds on July 19, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
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I may not always get along with some of these other players, but i don't declare war on them.
Not true. You went to war with my corp over one of my members that had "slighted you" before he joined me.
You shot down Sargas' depot at Jupiter when he and Matamure quit on you.
You shoot down anyone who dares defy or leaves your corp.
You have always been "the enemy" to us because you have attacked us from day one. Your values waver to suit your own ends. How do you go from hunting a declared outlaw to swapping intel and alliance with that enemy? Probably fear. That is OK, its good to be scared. A very human reaction. A weak reaction, but still....
Dont tell me when and why i should get upset over events. That is for me to decide on what matters most to me. The fact that i said it matters to me, and you chose to ignore that and argue your point got you on the target list. You brought it to the forums and i take offense to you and your comments, JamJul
You just dont get that, and i pity you for your limitations there.
Dont advocate or speak for others, it just shows me a gang mentality going on, and the fire spreads that way. I have always been happy dealing with bully and mob mentality. 1 enemy or many is all the same to me. Its actually easier when you are all enemies.
It was your call, i just reacted to it.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JamJulLison on July 19, 2014, 10:29:25 PM
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I may not always get along with some of these other players, but i don't declare war on them.
Not true. You went to war with my corp over one of my members that had "slighted you" before he joined me.
You shot down Sargas' depot at Jupiter when he and Matamure quit on you.
You shoot down anyone who dares defy or leaves your corp.
You have always been "the enemy" to us because you have attacked us from day one. Your values waver to suit your own ends. How do you go from hunting a declared outlaw to swapping intel and alliance with that enemy? Probably fear. That is OK, its good to be scared. A very human reaction. A weak reaction, but still....
Dont tell me when and why i should get upset over events. That is for me to decide on what matters most to me. The fact that i said it matters to me, and you chose to ignore that and argue your point got you on the target list. You brought it to the forums and i take offense to you and your comments, JamJul
You just dont get that, and i pity you for your limitations there.
Dont advocate or speak for others, it just shows me a gang mentality going on, and the fire spreads that way. I have always been happy dealing with bully and mob mentality. 1 enemy or many is all the same to me. Its actually easier when you are all enemies.
It was your call, i just reacted to it.


The issue of the first war again. Really Dadds? It wasn't a little slight with your guy.  The little speck declared war on me and my entire corp over a couple of attacks.  He also saw fit to cuss me out in those same messages. Even after I tried to talk some sense into him. When he joined you guys all I did was inform you over the forums of what he did and that he currently was on my KOS list but that I wasn't actively looking for him. You guys on the other hand started to actually stick up for the guy. I insisted he needed to post himself that he rescind that declaration of war on us because he was the one who made it.  The entire thread got out of hand on both guys. But you guys started overreacting first. After a while it got to a certain point where there really was no choice but war. Yes we declared it. But I did try to negotiate first. I also held my tongue better then some of my other people. Sargas didn't like it when i told him he needed to back off.  Anyone can go back and read over that of course.  It is all still here.  Even though NHC played both sides to their advantages, many of their people thought the same way about you that we did. They just kept their mouths shut on that because they didn't want war themselves.


Now on to the Sargas and Mata situation. That wasn't because I was upset that they left like you imply. I guess your memory is worse then mine.  It was over the theft of modules on the big corp ship.  Sargas wasn't being very cooperative about trying to help me get them back. I lost my cool and blew up his station at Jupiter. That said, I did refrain from destroying other stations of his that I knew about. Eventually it did work itself out though.  Of course part of the reason was because of you.  The only other member I have purposely gone after when they left the corp was MadMark.  That was because when he left, he left without any notice at all and ignored all my messages. All he got though was a station blown up and I now hit him whenever I see him. I don't go looking for him.  Gronk also left and has ignored me, but I haven't actively searched him out. Though I do occasionally try to hit him when I see him which isn't often.  When Sin left to try to form his own corp, he informed me of it. I wished him luck and he went on his way. Of course he did eventually return for a short time to give us his stuff and then left the game himself.  He had gotten bored with the game.  I had some other people go over to EoS.  I didn't go after them. I don't usually go after someone unless I feel I have a good reason. I have made mistakes in the past.  But I am not near as bad as you.


I got on the your target list because I refused to give in to your threats. You implied very heavily in your messages to me that I needed to either remove or edit my post about the review on your corp.  I don't give in to threats. You of course probably already knew that though. But you sent them anyways and convinced yourself you were in the right and had done all you could do before going to war with us. 


Last I will address again the Raph thing.  I am not officially even allies with Raph. At this time we don't have a NAP or a treaty with SSS.  Me and Raph have an unspoken understanding.  You see he understood the reason i was coming after him before was because of you.  Even after we left the GC I continued to aid you against him. After you declared war on us, I felt it was in the best interest of my Corp to stop going after Raph and focus on you. I never hated him like you did. Considering he isn't going around just destroying everything, I don't see no reason why I should even want to go after him. You on the other hand have gone out of your way to make enemies. Your acting like SSS, TGE, EoS and ITO have all conspired against you. SSS is your enemy because you wanted to go after raph for his actions in the past. Fair enough.  I got no issue with you doing that. TGE and ITO are only your enemies because you made us your enemies. We were allies and tried to be friends. Something others know about me is that even with my friends i can be brutally honest. Fake friends tell you what you want to hear. Real friends will tell you the truth, or at least what they think it may be, whether you want to hear it or not. A real friend takes the information, processes it and then responds. They know that their friend don't mean anything bad. They are just being honest. A fake friend overreacts though and just takes it badly. Something you did cause you always saw me as an enemy. Never as a friend.   EOS is your enemy simply  because they and many others of us, misunderstood a post of your that sounded a lot like you were declaring war on them.  Considering your past actions and general attitude, it was an easy mistake to make.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: raphael on July 20, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
You guys are talking in circles. Not just in this thread but also in the whole forum. Aren't you getting tired of it? LOL

Dadds declared war on all top corps. That's a fact that no one denies, so war will go on. We will continue to hunt his corp, and he can continue hiding under some insignificant rock somewhere. Let's continue sharing intel on his positions. You can leave his bigger ships to me coz even his strongest ship is no match against mine, even if his over-inflated ego says otherwise.  :))

As I said before, Jam, it's a waste of time reasoning with fools like him.  :)


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: JoolzVern on July 20, 2014, 04:48:59 PM
Yes Raph, it's tiring as he does keep repeating the same nonense, no matter how many times he's faced with reality he denies and distorts it until he sees himself as some good guy, because as we all know...

Under IMG's definition of behavior becoming of the "good guys":
#1. Declare war on allies for public criticism
#2. Declare war on all who call #1 childish and unreasonable and refuse to also go #1 on an ally.
#3. Claim ownership and copyright of a self-governed club after LEAVING and thus having no real claim or stake in said club whatsoever
#4. Claim you're being bullied and stolen from when sole remaining member of club seeks to get new members, and declare you top outlaw for going #1 on them.
#5. Repeatedly insist that those adhering strictly to factual reality are delusional, mistaken, lying etc. ad infinitum no matter how many times reality shows otherwise, or how foolish or mentally unstable it makes you sound.

@ Joolz, your biggest mistake is just having an opinion and trying to become a player when you are a little speck. you show no respect and so deserve none. you are beneath contempt. Next time when two people choose to disagree, i would suggest keeping the hell out of the way or face the fall-out.

Respect is earned, and you going #1 on ITO earns no respect. Your biggest mistake is weakly attempting to distort the facts so as to make your actions seem reasonable when they're clearly not. But you've heard this and it goes in one ear and out the other.


"...you sided with him...

I sided with reason. You equating this to "siding with Jam" and throwing a tantrum and acting like Jam's actions are adversarial just makes you look like a childish clown. This too, you've heard and yet you continue to distort the facts.

"... but also attempted to hijack and claim for yourself the thing i created in union with others.

Forget again? You were part of a union which you left, leaving ITO the sole remaining member and the only one with any claim to it whatsoever.  You declared war on everyone else AFTER being asked to calm down. So if you think me rallying corps back into the GC and declaring you public enemy no.1 is unreasonable you only emphasize how out of touch you are. If you think your repeadedly distorting the same facts earns you respect you're wrong.

Is the best you can do, really to repeat the same old invalid claims that fly in the face of reality?

"You think forum bullying is going to make me go away?"

The only bully here is you Dadds. The more you attempt to characterize everybody reminding you of the realities you continue to deny/distort as an assault on you or your corp, the more you just look like a unstable child in denial of these realities. We're hoping that reality will sink in and you'll realize how big a fool you've made of yourself and just stop acting like a clown.


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: raphael on July 20, 2014, 08:35:01 PM
Under IMG's definition of behavior becoming of the "good guys":
#1. Declare war on allies for public criticism
#2. Declare war on all who call #1 childish and unreasonable and refuse to also go #1 on an ally.
#3. Claim ownership and copyright of a self-governed club after LEAVING and thus having no real claim or stake in said club whatsoever
#4. Claim you're being bullied and stolen from when sole remaining member of club seeks to get new members, and declare you top outlaw for going #1 on them.
#5. Repeatedly insist that those adhering strictly to factual reality are delusional, mistaken, lying etc. ad infinitum no matter how many times reality shows otherwise, or how foolish or mentally unstable it makes you sound.

#6. Acting like a fool.

bwahahahaha


Title: Re: You guys active?
Post by: sargas on July 20, 2014, 11:22:16 PM
and notice in all those things that was occurring, who was there to help mediate?1 and now you all wish to turn on me as is evident in game as well as on forums? Most of you at best are just weak individuals, so i hold no grudges. You are just cattle or worse, being herded to which ever butcher will take you in, to be slaughtered humanely. How many frikkin' times do i have to say, "stop badmouthing my corp or face a war" before you all realize i am not joking. You assume to know me? What a laugh. You want to talk about war mongering JamJul? when you almost drove me to quit as a noob along with your PRKL mates who systematically destroyed everything i had? How you then chose to war vs me because 1 of my members had somehow upset you with a bad word before they became our member? You told me not to be an upstart etc and how much more powerful you were than me?
Funny how your memory fades on who is the warmonger. I started this game and wanted to be left alone. Apparently, that wasnt good enough for you lot. Now when you get it back in your fade, you go all cry-baby and cry foul that i am the bad guy. Raphael started game in the same manor. posting how profitable piracy was and raiding others, including my corp. you want to talk about FIRST BLOOD?
how do you see me as a bully for standing up to all the top corps? Maybe its an American thing where anyone who stands up for themselves is not allowed and you classify as a bully. lol. (with disdain) for those who dont know what that word mean, or may interpret my comment wrong, here it is:2
disdain
dɪsˈdeɪn,-z-/Submit
noun
1.
the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration or respect.
Again, IMG has never had a defaulter or quitter. I explained things to you in private about personal issues of my crew, and you chose to take it to forums to say we are a slumping corp.
Now this slumping corp has mobilized. expect a lot of combat reports hitting your inbox



1.  You only mediated the illegal attack between a GC member and a non-GC member regarding an attack in Sol system by a member of the GC.  That was your job as a GC representative (don't make it sound that you went 'above and beyond'')


2.  Do you really think that when you use wiki (or any other information source) that you can get away with it after dissing my attempts to define a phrase?