[quoteTo Dadds, I didn't mean any disrespect towards you. I was just stating things how they look to me and how they look to others I have talked to. If you wish to reply you may reply of course. But I ask you at least show some respect. Otherwise I request you just let Aysle do the talking. I really don't feel like being disrespected again.][/quote]
and yet from another post thread:

It is the actions of a foolish man who like to run his mouth. If he is a man at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just some teenager.

and shall we go for yet another?

It is because of their leader Dadds. Unfortunately he kept getting more rude with each post. He even went as far as being rude to Captain Norill who hadn't done anything to him or his Corp. He isn't a pirate, he isn't anything. He is just enjoying the game and learning about it. It is one thing to shoot down an idea, it is another to be rude to them. That of course prompted Norill to make fun of the offer IMG made us.

On that one you bring in your friend Norill, who is infact an alt of ffffffffffffffff of [PRKL] also friends with you, wolf and [PMI]
i can keep on quoting and finding areas where, in my opinion, you are disrespectful towards me, both you and your colleagues. i dont cry about it. if you dont want me to reply, dont post against my posts with insults. i am a trained flamer (do not even go there with your homophobic responses to that ambiguous term, in this context it means to war with sarcastic words)

OOC-To bring you all back to the basics, this is a game. I am to the most part trying to play a roll or character. You want to play the polite thief and vagabond, like the scarlet pimple uhhh pimpernickle something like that. Well my roll is your exact polar, the never-do-wrong to the innocent, morally steadfast and unswerving captain of a miners corporation that is doing it tough, have had hard knocks, and has a real attitude toward the pirate lifestyle. A whitty, dry humor with extreme sarcasm toward those that come here to play. I am not here for popularity votes, i dont play on facebook with likes/dislikes. i dont care if you dont like me, that is your choice, your loss. I am playing a game, you bring it personal or try to. And take it personal. I put it down to cultural and age differences, and a particular syle that is not for all fainthearted sensitives.

You are to me like a jeckle and hyde, posting how nice you are and such, then go off and attack someone personally. At least my character stays along the same fashion.
Why do you think i stepped back to ask Aysle to communicate our terms, cause i knew there was nothing i could say would help. However even his input was rejected by you. Now you want to get all friendly and back-slapping with my 2IC? lol If i sum up one word that can describe you best, jamjul, is inconsistent. Nothing personal, just an observance. If you are going to have a stance, stand for it. Anything less gets my disdain. To quote as Aysle says, "respect is not a given, it is to be earned" You came into my thread to pick a fight. You failed to do your research and got one. Object achieved.

Yes i am trying to spice the game up, and in some ways its working. people are forming factions, opinions, sides. All sorts of overt and covert talks are happening. Mostly though its just your corp and our corp, David and Goliath, that are butting heads. One of us will have to back down i wonder what the odds are on the gambling page lol
Otherways the threads are just getting nastier and personal and taking some of the fun out of the game.

Hopefully the game will head towards having more fun, but not if these threads keep growing in nastiness. I used to play a game called Jumpgate many years ago, no longer around unfortunately. that was fun with factions and wars and miners, pirates, warriors. while more video enhanced than this one and seat of your pants, a similar concept
Guess which type of character i chose: a miner/merchant that builds things. also anti pirate raiding. no surprises there. My character doesnt change much, cause much of what i put into a game is myself.

Dadds [IMG]

LOL we are all going a way off topic and OOC here but jam, i reccommend if you dont know what you are talking about, not any expert, etc etc, i would stop running that flap of skin you are yacking with, and put it to some other more effective purpose.

Kerbos is the one with the OCD. Not Wolfdoc. Your definitely an IT tech alright. It proves it by you not having your facts straight there. Just like what has happened any time in the past when I have had to call for tech support. I would also like to point out that Kerbos doesn't live in the US or even the UK. It may work a little different where he is at. I am no expert but I can't say for certain. Of course changing one's IP address or at least the one you show to the world can be done easy enough if you know what you are doing.  FYI it is possible to change that unique MAC address. Which could allow you to get a different IP address if you reset your modem.  In case your wondering why WolfDoc donates so much though, it is because he is a friend of Emi's. He wants to help Emi's game. He also doesn't mind sharing the wealth every now and then to players who can't afford to donate. Those who could actually use some extra help.

Lets revise this comment for example and break it down.

I would also like to point out that Kerbos doesn't live in the US or even the UK. It may work a little different where he is at.

Hmmm a 3rd world country that is using a different protocol and deliveries than TCP/UDP/IP i wonder how he is talking to us? I think there are aliens amongst us with alien technologies

Of course changing one's IP address or at least the one you show to the world can be done easy enough if you know what you are doing.

Of course, in the old days its called ip spoofing. similar in concept to how NAT works and considered at best very poor form. Used to be a way of getting back into chat rooms that someone banned you from for being a ....well, royal pain to put it politely. Nowadays we have a new version of protocol coming in, opening up many more IP addresses,  called ipv6 to provide the world with enough chat lines for this rubbish to work on

FYI it is possible to change that unique MAC address.

yeah, get a new network card. Other than that, please let me know how you manage it, i am pretty sure the Feds will be very interested to ask you the same questions. at the least, FCC or whichever authority exists to regulate network fraud in your respective countries. Pretty sure that would put you on the list of wanted to talk to hackers

In case your wondering why WolfDoc donates so much though, it is because he is a friend of Emi's. He wants to help Emi's game. He also doesn't mind sharing the wealth every now and then to players who can't afford to donate. Those who could actually use some extra help.

If he wants to help why doesnt he just give/gift the money away for further game development, or ask to come on board as a developer, instead of building up in an impossible timeframe for any other pilot, donator or free player. I am a donator as well, giving a 10$ gift as well, to try to keep pace with game and speed a few components of the game up a bit to where they become more interesting. Personally, i dont care what a person does or doesnt do with his money, that is his choice, and its not correct to discuss this with anyone but him, but dont try to tell us its for ultruistic reasons when he has such personal power, while his "pirate come miners" are getting wacked by hunters.

My two bobs worth, for what its worth. get back on topic or open another thread. this isnt the place for this

Dadds

I was going to give this release the attention it deserved, which is none, but then i think about all the corps and pilots out there who needs to see a version of the truth that isnt manufactured or imaginary version as spoken by [PMI] spokesmen.

So now we have two versions of events and status, [PMI] and the truth!

You can listen to JamJul's rambling musings if you all choose, it makes for a funny bedtime story. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

Facts of the matter were as stated, but if you choose to go into more facts and figures,
Fact 1> The enemy target was in fact over 165K power. I know because i had to beef the flagship up that was in drydock in order to even consider an attack. Besides, what was the power RazgrIz had when you smashed his station without regard? No war was on with him, and power would have been much less than 100k, even lower than 50K i imagine. My target was in the list close to me.
Fact 2> It was 2 nukes used, not 3 as your statement issues, not 1 bugged one. i know this cause i pushed the big red button personally with the exclaimation uttered, " Oh my, so THAT is what that big red button does, someone should put a warning sign on that!"

now i will go to some Q/A quotes to set state the real facts

Interviewer: Can you tell us why the negotiations with IMG broke down?

Jam-Jul Lison: It is because of their leader Dadds. Unfortunately he kept getting more rude with each post. He even went as far as being rude to Captain Norill who hadn't done anything to him or his Corp. He isn't a pirate, he isn't anything. He is just enjoying the game and learning about it. It is one thing to shoot down an idea, it is another to be rude to them. That of course prompted Norill to make fun of the offer IMG made us.

The last few posts concerning negotiations was handled my my 2IC and war chief as is proper. The final negotiations were closed down by JamJul refusing any offers coming out of our office, which included a "by gones be by gones" option. Had nothing to do with my postings, i wasnt actively posting to the negotiation table.

The other thing of which is off-topic and typical of your style of forum posting to try swying public opinion, is to include in your rantings about other members of other corps. How long have you been involved in BBS forums i wonder? 10 minutes? If you come into a conversation and try to make a mockery of it, expect a "flame" headed yourway. It wasnt even a "solar flame maxim". it was very controlled and civil flame considering what the reply should have been. If you wish to keep bringing in other "poor hard-treated" pirates such as Trumpii to try to prove in your addled little mind that that makes me some kind of fiend, go ahead. That will allow me latitude to mention that i know the true identity of "Poor Captain Norill, who is nothing and has done nothing". My intelligence team is far reaching, and of course upon discovering who Norill's real identity was, my team were also informed. For now that i know of, that intelligence hasnt leaked out of my office to the general public, but as i become more distracted of late with the war efforts, sometimes bits of information goes missing or gets into the wrong hands... I also happen to know that you are all good friends with each other, easily proved by having, in your words, "a nothing Pilot" posting on a thread he had no direct interest and involvement in. It has also come to my attention that [PMI] colaborate with [PRKL]. Two pirate clans in a coordinated effort to attack the individual miners and prevent any of us from getting an even and fair start to dare rival you. These are the ugly facts and truth of your verbal campaigns against myself and my team at [IMG]

I can pick out untruths, and incorrect statements for all eternity in this press release but i will point out to the readers exactly what sort of a character we have posting here. At best, an out and out liar. At worse, an inflammatory bully boy with delusions of grandeur who has lost all grip on reality. I draw these final two conclusions in support of my statement.

Interviewer: You say they were after revenge but they claimed they were just getting some profit off a pirate.

Jam-Jul Lison: With the number of nukes they used in their attack, there wasn't exactly much in the way of profit if there was any at all. The attack was clearly a revenge attack. Of course Dadds like his usual self decided to call it a hit for profit just to try to insult pirates.

At no point in any of my announcements, about the strike in question, or in general, have I ever claimed i was attacking out of profit. I challenge you to even find any referrence to money or profit. Simply not true. Just a fabrication in your own mind. The attack was wasteful? yes it was. It was intended to send a strong message to say we are prepared to use excessive force to preserve our way of existence. You think i cant count past the number of fingers on my two hands? lol. That is by far your biggest mistake, is to assume everyone is stupid but for you....BIG mistake. Some people are motivated by more than mere financial gain.

Many wars over Earth's history have been started over words and respect. This situation is no different.

Which wars? Can you even name one? perhaps you meant to say "Many wars over Earth's history have been started over words and respect. disrespect"

In that context i can name a couple, for example WWII, Brittain showed absolutely no respect to Hitlers Nazi party when they chose to subjugate Poland and attempted to exterminate a "race" of people, or, How the USA showed Japan no respect for the bombing of a neutral harbour port called Pearl Harbour, by dropping "Big Bertha" and bringing a war to an earlier conclusion. You are right, many wars have been started this way, and you are right, this situation is no different. Our "Big Bertha" was launched for the first time in this strike you refer to, and in similar circumstances, not 1 but 2 were utilised to get across the point.

And in finishing, if i havent already emphasised enough on how to treat this press release; with a contemptable wipe of the bottom and a quick flush down the tube; i post one final OOC comment (out of character for anyone who is unsure), to show your true character.

It is the actions of a foolish man who like to run his mouth. If he is a man at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just some teenager.

"nya nya, pants on fire!"
the word contemptable exists so you can go someplace lower when the occasion arrises, such as "beneath contempt"
The humorous thing is, if you truly believe i am a teenager, then how bad does that make you look and feel? You are getting beaten at a war of words, spanked in space as your corps body count rises and your precious cash evaporates trying to beat us. Not a bad result to have a team of grown men following in the leadership of a teenager to whoop some booty.
Perhaps it is you who should listen to your own statements and not "run your mouth off" then you wont be found wanting and embarassed.
OOC - You wonder why i use so much sarcasm (flames) in my postings, because you make it just too darn easy by posting such utter dribble into a forum. I have been using BBS systems since before you finished at ya mommy's breast. You know who you owe to all this trash talk you now enjoy? an org called ARPA, which quickly got "absorbed" by the military and called "DARPA", which then underwent another name change back to ARPA when the military realised they couldnt contain or keep it a secret any longer. Go google or wikki that news so you understand what i am talking about. if you knew 10% of what i have done or who i am, you would be wetting your shorts and trying to take back all your personal attacks on me.

I leave you with 2 question /answers:
Q: When is a pirate not a pirate?
A: When you belong to [PMI]. They have velcro patches which can be ripped off when they choose to and run and cry to the forums claiming bad men are hunting them

Q: When is a war not a war?
A: Whenever a [PMI] member chooses it not to be and claim foul (i believe in the schoolyard its called, "Barley", or was in my day). What dont you under stand about <Lock and Load>  or your final comments on the question of war,  "We are Pirates. We are Miners. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us." Did we make a misassumption again? Were you dropping by for a tea party? LOL Aysle, set a table for 4 this evening, we are expecting guests"


Dadds

After negotiations broke down between [IMG] and [PMI], war was ultimately declared against [IMG] and accepted. This news report will keep interested parties up to date with current events relating to that conflict. For reasons of conflict of interest, I, as commander of [IMG] cannot run an impartial news report regarding this conflict. I do vow, however, to release to the media, and the public in general, the facts surrrounding this conflict. All information presented is classified white paper documents for dissemination.

At this time, the Independant Miners Guild [IMG] would like to make this public announcement.

"After much discussion about making things right between us, with several offers and counter offers being presented, then retracted and including [IMG]'s final offer to agree to disagree and continue as we see fit was rejected, there was no other option but to accept war against [PMI]. It was for us the final and only remaining option for us and all our members have faith enough to see this through to its bitter end"

further to this action; the Commander-in-Chief of [IMG] would like to make a statement regarding this conflict.

"WAR update. Capt Dadds, commander of [IMG] military fleet in flagship Liberty, engaged the enemy Madmark31 of [PMI] on 12Jan13 at 03:09 around the orbit of IO, Jupiters 3rd moon. Friendly military loses, zero. Friendly civilian loses, zero. Damage Report, minor overload in ships aux shielding capacitors, shields holding at 94%. Enemy has been totally devastated, retreating unconditionally to emergency jump zone, leaving behind MK X Miner & MK X Harvester, now under friendly control. No other survivors found within the blast zone."
It was with regret that aggression had to be used against individuals, and  the loss of life it caused. It was not our call to go to war, but we will defend our way of life to the death. We will no longer tolerate repeated attacks against ourselves or passive miners operating around sol. The use of excessive force is condoned to deter those who would subjugate others. I have activated our military wing of the miners guild, and will disrupt all pirate activity where found. Any miners or colonists who wish to raise a complaint against pirate activities, forward them to pilot commander Dadds or his adjutant, Aysle. <message ends>

Oh and BTW thank you for all your readings and negative votes. It means we are already winning, and in fact i will claim our victory right here. We have disrupted [PMI] sol criminal activities, caused you to spend mega sols just to try to overwhelm and guarantee a victory and got you running around like headless chickens trying to find us. The really sweet point is, we havent had to fire a shot in anger or lose so much as a meter of Iron.  I did warn you bankruptcy was a very possible outcome to campaigning against us. Hell even my tongue-in-cheek counter demand in hindsight was quite a small price to pay compared to what you will be paying for an extended campaign. i should have gone for 40M$ lol


Again, thankyou for all your negative reviews, i will wear them as a badge of honour. (OOC-My children also give me little badges that i treasure, you remind me of them so) I hope Sir Emi gives out gifts of QP for the most infamous poster of the month!

Dadds

Bravo Aysle. So many words i could post here. No real need cause its all really off topic. A stance is a stance. no amount of badgering will change that. no conditional stances, no alternative chances stances, no one off or special stances to suit a situation. No threats of violence or shows of power can sway us.  The only mistake i made in this forum is i should have posted our stance as a closed topic, as its not and will never be, up to debate by other corps, whether they be ubber powerful or meek and mild.

Now if you will excuse us all, we must go polish our weapons of war, form our various contingengies, and wait for the ocean to try to beat down our rock pillars. Any1 for rock, paper, sissors? <click!> Locked and loaded

See you all in space, may moral justice be served

Dadds, CiC [IMG]

_{edited for freudian slip chances/stances}

So remember Aysel and IMG corp when you get hit by me

Yes i still remember you Trumpii, when i was a [SOL] finishing student and was setting up my first base in GJ433 and you, fffffffff and 2 more of your group came in waves and smashed me all over the system and tried to destroy everything i had. Forced me to relocate further down to stay out of the way. In fact, it was your final blow that ultimately caused me to form the miners corp [IMG]. Thanks
My colleague tells me you were turning over a new leaf? Probably wasnt the best sort of rehab treatment my colleague dished out in that case. That can make you fall "off the wagon" again. Anyway, whichever way you go, i think that was perfect Karma that my chosen military wing commander and champion found you and exacted some justice back, though at the time of the strike Aysle was unaware it was you who struck the final blow to finish me off.
You may still come down here to see how far i have gone and grown since then if you choose, thats all part of the game. Pirate hits miner, miners military arm wacks pirate. Circle of life. If you do choose to chase around after us though, things may turn out a little differently than the first time we met

Good hunting all 

good luck with those conditions...

ehhhh, oh well it was worth a shot. It is at least as likely a happening deal as the one presented to us by JamJul earlier.

Ho hum go back to your galactic law office Norill and leave the humour to me. You are a much better bean counter than you are a comedian. This thread will be closed shortly to give a proper response time to those active parties this thread DOES concern. I am still debating whether the offensive language used in your posting is a reportable offense

Dadds<out>

Hahaha Norill. goodness you will take this game into the next level with all those rules and regs. soon we wont even need to sit here and play. our computers will do it much quicker and faster than us and calculate what we can and cant do.

Here is my version of combat...you hit me unprovoked, i gather my team and smash you all over the playground until you yield. light, med, heavy. whatever.
What you are suggesting is akin to playing a regulated sports game, like badmitton. "ooops wait, my (shuttle)thingy seems to be stuck in my net. i think that gives u 1 free wack at it"
My R.O.E is much more simple. (rules of engagement for those who ask) Mess with us, suffer the consequences. If you want to set up a sporting arena here then go for it. I will get back to the real universe of hard work, hard labour and fighting to survive.

The game of tit-for-tat everyone is equal and finishes equal is for kindergaarten. i vote for sticking our corp in the wanted section straight up because that is how we have all been treated by other corps since starting. It is why you are even seeing the tag [IMG] We have our own code of conduct within our corp and it is not to do math on what we can or cant do in response to an attack. that is a computer attribute. last time i checked i still have a heart beat.
I dont expect a positive rating for my post. i just post it as i see it

Dadds, Leader [IMG]

you obviously missed my point, Norill. Like vultures to a road-kill, the pirate groups swoop down to try to convert another player to the dark arts of piracy. I merely posted that there are other options out there besides piracy. Whether that player has already found a place or not is irrelavant. I am not going to beg to anyone to join my corp. Our corp is doing quite fine and dandy. Just merely pointing out that there are several options out there to anyone looking for a home, new home or change of scenery. Not sure how that equates to "dont care". i personally read it to equate to "i do care"

Dadds [IMG]

[Dont ever]

In all this bother with politics and whining, I missed some very important dates to celebrate...yesterday was my 1 month anniversary playing this game! Happy monthday to me!
Another important date, [IMG] was formed out of a need to school for protection like the small pilchards we are, just one week ago!    

Now with the celebrations complete, here is the list of OUR conditions, which really arent conditions, since they are unconditional!! (gosh i love that line!)
[PMI] or its members will unconditionally withdraw any KoS on any of our members
Further, JamJulLison will pay [IMG] financial compense for acts of terrorism and loss of earnings, including wasting my time in forums instead of gaming, to the value of $20M solars. This money to be delivered to Razgr1z in Earth's orbit, with a personal apology delivered for unnecessarily rough conduct to a new graduate and for gross unsportsman-like conduct (Mr Nice Guy)
[PMI] or any of its affiliates will not at any time attack a position under the protection of [IMG] unless its prepared for the retaliation that will ensue.
Now, have i left anything out? Oh, whats that you say? what are we giving you in return? Sure, fair is fair and there should be some give and take. We promise not to send you all bankrupt in a futile attempt to find us and embarassment with the bottom slapping we will deliver along the way. Now do i have everyones attention?
Failure to comply i hear someone ask? Well, that i am afraid, is classified TOP SECRET operational procedures.You will be issued a public statement in due course should you choose not to comply. As WolfDoc advises to me, i am not here to get into some sort of machismo contest on how well hung we are and flashing our tackle from under our kilts to intimidate you all just yet
So now its time to truly listen :-
Dont ever post on a corporations stance how we should or should not conduct that stance. That is sheer arrogance with a massive show of ignorance (where is sargas with the definition of ignorance...i know what it means and using it in context)
Dont ever post a veiled threat to us, to intimidate or bully us into playing to your desires.
Dont question me or my pilots motives ever again. They are motivated in their actions by the rule of conduct we have agreed upon by being a member of this corps.
Most of all, when i say i am finished responding and explaining a stance to the slow of learning and the selective deaf, DONT DRAG ME BACK IN TO THE DISCUSSION!
The line in the sand is drawn

No nice pirates? I'm sorry but that is where you are wrong. I am actually a really nice guy. I pirate mostly to help bring me in extra income. I also hope by raiding in the 0,0 area that I can teach players. new and experienced, that it is not a smart idea to mine in 0,0. The game needs good players. Some people won't become good players unless you give them that push they need. It is as simple as that. That said it does take some intelligence to be a good player as well.

P.S. That is good advice, not to mine at 0,0. Pity your preachings are reaching us and not your squad mates. It was unfortunate that it was Bob who was hit, but my colleagues were only following up on your good advice and teachings, JamJul. It was a profitable strike. Why did he hurry with QP? Gee let me think, in pirate territory with 1 ship and having an opportunity to strike down a loan pirate or....wait for the hours long countdown and the possibility of reinforcements arriving to mess the attack up, or to scoop up the mats, etc etc. It was a good tactical move to do as he did. I would have considered similar moves, if i was presented with the same scenario

Dadds, Commander-in-Chief [IMG]

(A vigilante  is an individual or group who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority.
Vigilante justice is extrajudicial punishment  that is motivated by the nonexistence of law and order or dissatisfaction with justice.  Lynching and gunfighing have always been considered forms of vigilante  justice.)

Thanks for the definition of 'vigilante' most likely pulled out of wiki. I am sure we are all feeling more educated from the information. Not sure why it is posted in this thread since its relavance is tenuous at best.

I know we are a long way 'West of the Pecos' out here, but what [IMG] is promoting is vigilante justice.

I will make 2 points to this opinion.
1. There is no law out here to begin with, other than at Earth. "Taking the law into our own hands" , or vigilante as defined in the quote, is our only option to defend and survive against pirate raids. Where is the "legal authority"? Who else do you turn to if not yourself and your allies?
2. We are not promoting any such vigilantiism. You guys are doing a great job at that yourselves. Heck you have managed to push us out to the limits away from sol and banded us together. Keep up the good work!

We are miners who wont be treated like cattle or farms for the lazy and greedy. you want cash, go dig it out at a meter an hour like the rest of the workers. or run comm/sos missions. It working for us

Once in a while the true criminal is punished, but there have been too many instances of the innocent being harmed.  In most cases the vigilante is more of a criminal than the victim of a perceived offense.

You guys seriously believe you are the innocent bystanders in space? the oppressed and wrongly accused and sadly misunderstood? O.M.G. I shouldnt be too surprised with that though, its the usual response to someone who has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. There are no nice pirates and thieves and cutthroats out there. Sure maybe one day we will catch up for a beer, but i wouldnt be leaving my wallet on that bar when i visit the bathroom lol

Any meetings regarding the hostilities between our two corporations need to be both public and open.

You want to invite the public to air our dirty laundry? lol go ahead that could work. Then you would have yourself a lynching party. Save us the trouble of disarming you.


I wont be replying to this thread any longer since i have made my point many times over. My second in command will be able to answer any further enquiries on our stance should he feel the need. Your boss knows where to contact me. All this chipping away with other people's input isnt helping resolve anything.
I have a corporation to run.

Dadds <....Transmission terminated >

We are not tense at all. just goin about our business as usual, mining our systems, building equipment, smacking the occasional pirate. Things are all on track here. Not sure meeting with you in some remote system and risk an ambush or escallation of "tensions" is in our best interests at this time. Not to mention the time and cost to come and meet you. Perhaps you need to take this conversation to a PM and explain to me exactly what you hope to achieve with this meeting. So much fuss over a Corporation Stance, sheesh!

i would like to be able to set our own prices based on demand or need or rarity for a particular station. that would change the economics greatly