Astro Galaxy - a realistic space exploration game

Emi I have a question.  How is the limit on the number of stations around a planet/moon/asteroid belt determined?

It's a fixed amount of station slots, 9 for planets and 4 for the moons.

I see.  Could I make a suggestion? Perhaps adjust the slots so that it depends on the size of the planet/moon/asteroid. It would make sense if larger planets could have more space stations in orbit then smaller ones.

Yeah it's something that could be implemented in the future. I'm also planning on other space structures so there's definitely room for improvement.

Indeed if more structures are going to be able to be made then changes need to be made lol.  Hell when you think of it, look at all the satellites and stuff around Earth. I bet it could hold a lot of stations lol

hmmm, maybe with enough stations in place, we can build a Dyson Sphere (or Ringworld)...

 Structures? What other kinds of structure Sir Emi?

Well I have a few ideas that will be posted in Projects in development, mostly support structures, maybe manufacturing arrays that will use orbital station materials to make modules...

I know SOL Corp is working on a warp gate that will link two colonized SOL systems... It's likely those warp gates will only be available for SOL and will link distant quadrants... From I gathered, so far only the local group has been explored in quadrants -4,-4 to 4,4 but they sent an expedition on a farther away quadrant toward some unknown stars... by far I mean at least towards quadrant 10+, it seems there's a point of interest out there, who knows what they'll find, but they want to link those far away points with the warp gate.

It seems this warp gate technology doesn't work so well at close range, it maintains a stable wormhole between two points in space, but if the origin and destination points are too close, it may twist space on itself and destroy the two gates...

I am liking this...

I guess this means it won't just be empty void then like it is now cause all that is out that way is empty void right now. lol

Yes, there will be pockets of stars, quadrants clustered together, connected with a warp gate. The -4,-4 to 4,4 is the local group of stars.

Could anybody explain me how to destroy my space stations I built all around the sol? I'm just newcomer and did not get at first how to use these stations properly :( And now I'm trying to annihilate them but there are no any options to take modules back to the ship or to destroy station... this is stupid enough I know. But why it's so complicate to destroy your own station? I don't want to buy new licenses, I just want to use my licenses more rational...

You must first remove all the modules on the station. You do this by scooping them up with a ship that has the empty module spaces. Once that is done you pack up the station. This is all really something you should have learned from the tutorial.  Still if you would like, I could just blow them up for you.  Since they are in the Sol System I would  need your approval and possibly the approval of the rest of the GC.  If you want them destroyed post a request on the GC part of the board. If the rest of the GC approves, I will blow them up for you.

Oh! it's great, JamJulLison! Please blow them to hell!

1. Sirius->Zeta Sirius
2. Epsilon Eridani->Zeta Epsilon Eridani
3. GJ 674->S/GJ 674 Z1

As to "a request on the GC part of the board" - i just don't know where I should write? Maybe you could just refer to my request?

Right here for non-member request.



http://forum.astro-galaxy.com/index.php/board,60.0.html



Though since they aren't in the Sol System itself.  I don't think a request will be needed.  I will have a ship sent to these areas shortly.

Thank you, JamJulLison!

I will likely get the other 2 tomorrow.  I am kinda taking it easy the rest of the night reading comics before I go to bed.

The Ideas of Sir Emi sound very interesting to me!

Meyyo, i feel that you have been "telemarketed" into having your stations destroyed by the destroyer. i read the galactic charter plea before i read here. to pack a station all you have to do is to orbit that station, dock and there will be an option to "pack/scoop station" click on that.
If they are not already blown, i would request JamJul to not proceed with the destruction request. It has not been passed by the council as yet and may violate treaty. Lets not blow up a new member because of simple confusion. That is what the GC is all about

It is not a violation as they are not in the Sol system itself. I tried to explain how to do it but I may have done a poor job of it.  I just offered my services here. Not like I am getting any profit from it.  I didn't "telemarket" anything here. lol

Its against the general principle of protecting new players. He is obviously confused, your suggestion is to blow them out of the sky after only 1 attempt to explain. Some more JamJul "training" by blowing them up. I have issued a general combat order to my fleet to engage you around this members holdings until such time as i can resolve the matter. That is, if they are still in place. Ships are being dispatched now. Your vessels will be engaged but the option to open fire will be at my command only. That is all <out>

Did I say I was going to attack? No.  I am holding out until we hear otherwise from him.  I just hate explaining myself multiple times.  Especially when you learn how to do this kind of stuff in the academy as it is anyways.  Regardless, destroying his stations does not violate the GC Charter.  The GC Charter covers attacks in the Sol System. Not the rest of 0,0.  I haven't violated anything.  If your ships were to open fire they would be in violation for attacking someone in an alliance that is a part of the GC. Your ships should stand down.  Once I hear from him on this matter and if he says to just blow them up I will.  The only reason a request was made to the GC at all on this is because I suggested he do so. Furthermore Aysle, who is your 2nd in command and representative on the council for your alliance's seat on the GC's council already OKed this matter to begin with. 

That is an internal matter i will discuss with Aysle. He is the rep, not the law. i am willing to bet he didnt read the forum post for help and your "help" suggestion. The GC was put in place to protect from annihilation of stations etc. That is what is proposed by you as a solution to his problem. That has our ships on high alert. You will stand down from any destruction of property until i can contact the pilot and discuss this with Aysle. Until that time, i am commander-in-chief of IMG and a galactic council member and i will engage you if you blow any new member stations. I hope that is clear enough. You said you already took out one of his stations? Please report on the situation <over>

You may wish to reread the charter then Dadds.  This situation isn't even covered in the charter.  This is a situation where someone asked for help.  I gave him an explanation of what to do and another valid option for handling the situation.  He opted for the 2nd.  I have sent him a message in game and have asked him what he wants me to do.  I am giving him until tomorrow to reply.  If there is no reply by then I will continue on to blow up the next one as planned. However you choose to open fire on me or any of our ships that might happen to be around there, you yourself will be attacking a fellow GC member and clearly be in the wrong. Not only will it be a direct assault against a GC member but it would also violate the NAP signed between PMI and IMG.

JJL's action has already been sanctioned by a majority vote of the GC reps (Aysle-yea,JJL-Yea,Goodperson-abstain)

Then why did you suggest to him to bring it in here to the Galactic Council requests? If it has nothing to do with GC then it shouldnt be posted here. I think it is just your justification to do harm to another player. Be warned, because you are a member of the council doesnt make you immune from all of the rest of the council. I have judged this to be unfair and we will have ships in orbit to prevent your wanton destruction of a new player station, even though he seems to think its what he wants.
I dont need to read the charter. We developed it. The underlying concept was not to destroy other's bases particularly new players. If you dont agree to that then we can reopen negotiations as we did months ago. I have lots of pilots ready to reopen those negotiations. Here is a galactic member resolution.
We will put our ships in orbit around the troubled pilot's holdings. Should any "accident" happen that their station gets attacked then i will hold you personally responsible for it.
As of now, Meyyo's stations are under [IMG] protectorate. Violation of that will be a war. I am sure you are clear on that now.

I suggested it to him before he actually gave us the locations cause I thought perhaps they might be in the Sol System which is covered in the GC.  They weren't but I gave him the link anyways. Though I told him it wasn't really a GC matter but it was up to him.

Your actions don't make you look so well and if you attack you will be in violation of the GC itself.  You really should reread the charter.  We helped to develop it as well and I know it well so here it is for you again. Actions you are suggesting against us are something that should be voted on by the GC itself.  It is not something for you alone to decide.  Especially after the vote we got from you guys initially was yes on the matter of these stations.  I don't want no internal GC War and I seriously doubt NHC will as well. I have contacted NHC about this matter and am waiting on their input on this.   In case you can't seem to find the charter here it is again for you to read.




1st Galactic Council Charter

As an alliance of the chosen we agree to promote the growth of our fellow Captains in all Corps that aspire to grow with honor.

As such a council of the "three" is to be formed. The Galactic Council hence forth referred to as the 'GC' will handle all complaints and disagreements between Captains when called upon.

1. All issues must be brought to the attention of the GC via the public forums by the complainant. Supporting documentation in the form of screenshots of Battle Reports and PMs must be posted so that the GC may evaluate the situation and deem a proper response.

2. The agreement of the majority shall hold the rule of law throughout the Galaxy.

3. Attacks in Sol except as authorized by terms 3, 4, or 5 are forbidden.
3.1 If someone contacts a member of the GC about a raid in progress against them, a ship may be dispatched to the reported location to investigate. If the reported ship is found in orbit, if the owner of the ship is online and if the person who's reported the incident's holdings are present, it will be engaged in combat.
3.2 Each Corp's GC representative or leader shall be authorized to appoint a Corp member to perform a single retaliatory strike after the fact upon said aggressor if it was not possible to stop the raid in progress. So long as said aggressor is NOT a member of a GC Corp. Raids where a GC Corp member is the aggressor must be brought before the GC for a vote of repercussions.

4. Players deemed "outlaws" shall be added to the GC KOS list by a majority vote of the GC. All outlaw holdings are valid targets for raiding or destruction.
4.1 Players deemed "outlaws" may petition the council after a minimum time period of one (1) month has passed for removal of said designation. Removal shall only occur upon majority vote of the GC.

5. In extreme cases of destruction or repeated (5x) rulings concerning the same aggressor the Corp that harbors the "outlaw" after fair warning (5 days) shall be deemed accessories after the fact and all raiding upon said Corp's holdings shall be fair game until such time as said Corp rectifies the situation.


6. Additions to the GC shall be considered by petition of any Corp that reaches sufficient total power and demonstrates consistent activity. Inclusion in the GC will be at the discretion of the GC. A vote will take place and the majority shall rule. The new GC member Corp must agree to all terms of GC charter.

7. The GC charter may be amended via a majority vote of GC members.
Amendments concerning attacks, raiding, or addition to the GC KOS list require a super majority (75%) to be achieved.

8. Each Corp member of the GC may appoint it's own representative to the GC. The representative may be changed via notice of said Corp's leader.

9. All corp members who are part of the GC may review GC meetings and discussions as long as they remain quiet. Discussions of GC business must be via the appointed Corp representative or Corp Leader. If a member wishes to discuss this matter they may contact their Corp Leader or representative about their thoughts privately and he or she can bring them to the table if they so choose.

10. Permission to remove an inactive player's holdings may be given via the GC.
10.1. The process is as follows. Notice is posted to the GC of the player's holdings and location simultaneously a message informing said player of the intention to remove their holdings after a five (5) day waiting period. If said player does not respond and no GC representative objects then the permission is automatically granted by the GC.

11. Members Corps of the GC may petition to claim solar objects for their sole Corp use. Sole Corp ownership is contingent upon approval of the majority of the GC.
11.1. If another player sets up holdings on or around a GC claimed solar object the owner of said holdings may contact said player giving forty eight (48) hours notice of intent to remove the holdings in question by force.

Signatures
Jam-Jul Lison,
Leader of Pirating & Mining, Inc

Sargas
PMI Commissioner of Mines

Captain Matamaure
Navy Leader, PMI

Dadds
Commander-in-Chief [IMG]

Aysle
IMG Diplomat / Military Commander

Captain Goodperson,
Leader of New Horizon Corp.

Morbius
Vice-Leader of the New Horizons Corporation

@ Sargas, Aysles comment was not discussed nor sanctioned by this member of the galactic council. I am sure he was not given all the information before making a rash decision, but it was never discussed with me nor the corporation. Therefore i, as leader to the corporation to which is signed to the Galactic council, overturn Aysle's decision to sanction an attack, based on his prior insufficient information to make a ruling.... The GC cannot exist without its corp leader signing off on it.
I re-iterate. Meyyo's holdings will remain under [IMG] Protectorate until such time as i can discuss this with said pilot and Aysle. Any action against this pilot will result in my considering PMI JamJul as an outlaw.

Declaration of an outlaw must be voted on by the GC. Not just you. Also it would require a voting PMI out of the GC by both you and NHC. Furthermore Aysle is your representative. He is the one that gives the vote. Not you. Yes he should have discussed it with you but that is hardly my fault if he did not.  This is why I am our representative. Though I do make a point to discuss this kind of stuff with my division leaders.

I have claimed him as a protectorate new member under my ruling, "thou shalt not kill other stations" i dont care where u read or dont read that in the GC, but that was what it was designed for. Go ahead, test my resolve on this. If you touch this members holdings, we are at war. I have ships underway now and if i dont find this member there......you and i are going to some very harsh negotiating tables for killing new member holdings.

What you intended and what was decided on written are 2 different things.  The GC Charter is clear.  As is the NAP we signed with your corp.  Perhaps you should have re-read it before agreeing to it.  We spent plenty of time with Aysle working out the details on this. You could have come on our forum and discussed them as well.  I wouldn't have minded. Fact is though I don't allow our members to go around just blowing up stations for the hell of it.  I have actually made it a corp rule not to do that. Instead raiding is only for profit.  I don't blow up stations usually unless the station and or mine/harvester is just sitting there doing nothing.  Though if another person wants to be blow up their stuff and it isn't in the Sol system, I don't got a problem with doing that.  It's not like this girl is some poor victim.  I am trying to be calm and rational here but you keep wanting to go right up in arms.  Why immediately go to that? It seems like your more interested in attacking and destroying things then i am.

Well i am formally informing you it was not discussed, and therefore not a vote. Clearly Aysle did what i did and read the formal application to have holdings killed, and didnt research it or discuss it. I have gone back to the original thread and i find criminal neglect at least by JamJul, to offer a solution via destruction. I am resolved in this matter. there was no galactic vote to sanction this destruction and i have the final say as to what is voted in the GC as an IMG leader. A rep cannot sanction an attack on his own and from this thread that authorisation is revoked by me, high command IMG. No further discussion or argument needed on that. Aysle is temporarily removed from official status as rep until we discuss this with him. I, as leader of the corp and galactic corp member, assume that position.
Go ahead and vote on that.
I hope for your sakes i find his outposts still in place when i get there.

So, it comes down to this...

and yet i notice that you were the first person on the scene to suggest to him a helpful solution to blow his stations up. We [IMG] are about protecting property and new members. You are all about destruction. That is what gets me all narley and wanting to put a rocket up your main drive. Maybe you guys are not fit to be part of the Galactic Charter, as you suggested about other corps in a different thread.

Go ahead, make my day. Destroy those outposts and expect a severe reaction from us.

this needs to be discussed in Council Chambers and not aired in public...

I am waiting on a final word from Meyyo.  If Meyyo says go ahead I will. If she doesn't then I won't.  It is as simple as that.  If you wish to cast the vote yourself then change yourself to the representative.  The actions you are proposing Violate the GC.  Yes I offered destroying them.  If she can't figure out how to do them and wants them gone, that is the only other way to remove them.  It is simple as that. I posted already, twice now once here and once in the other thread of how to scoop them up. I was more clear in my post on the other thread.  You say I am all about destruction but I am not.  I rarely raid anymore as it is and most of the attacking I even do is attacking NPC pirates in COM mission.  I have been trying to recruit new members and help them to grow to be better players. You can ask our members. We try to help them out whenever we can.  You on the other hand over a minor situation like this want to suddenly flip your lid and attack a fellow GC member.  I also agree with Sargas.  This should be discussed in the council chambers and not here.

Sorry guys for all troubles I was the reason.

I must put a PERIOD - to all understood my position. I TRUST Jam-Jul Lison - he was the first who supported me and who explained to me many things in this game. He is very caring and knows how to make the game fun. His fun supported me in difficult times, when I felt useless. Below I am posting a response to his request, to make clear that my position. I also decided to apply his corp because I like him as a person.

Dadds, it seems to me, you love to manipulate people. It would be nice if I'm wrong. Please DON'T PROTECT ME, OR MY STATIONS, OR ANYTHING ELSE OF MINE ANY MORE! OK?

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Forum rules:
11.  Private Messages:  Private Messages are just that, private, do NOT post the contents of a private message anywhere on the forums.

It's not good to post private messages, because those can be modified etc. especially without the senders permission. Don't want to create more confusion.
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Something Dadds doesn't realize is how much I do to try to help players in the game.  Just like the reason i am quick to respond to people on the forums is because I am online a lot and when someone needs  help, I don't mind offering it if I can.  Anyways lets just try to drop the matter now cause I am really tired of the arguing.  What's done is done.  PMI want's peace. No it isn't cause we are scared.  We aren't. We just don't see a point of another pointless war breaking out. Especially over something as small as this.  Not to mention the GC was created to help create peace in the galaxy.  The raiding stuff may not be as far out spread as Dadds might like. But the charter is what was agreed on and what IMG voted to approve. Just like PMI and NHC voted to approve.  Honestly a member of the GC were to attack the others, to me that would be considered treason against the GC itself.  It's no secret me and Dadds don't like each other much. But I don't mind putting personal feelings aside for the good of our Corps, the good of the GC and the good of the Galaxy.  Perhaps once the universe grows bigger then just 4 rings, we can discuss putting all of 0,0 on the terms for no raiding.  I personally wouldn't have a problem with that if the universe were to get bigger.


BTW in case other people don't know. I am planning on setting a base up in every quadrant in the known sectors. So out in the first ring.  Once they are all done my hope is to be able to have a ship or two nearby at all times in case someone should ever need help in dealing with someone who has been raiding them excessively or perhaps to stop a raid/destroy attack that is in progress.  I may occasionally send my own raiding ship through the areas but it wouldn't be often. If people unload their mines enough or make sure they got some decent protection, chances are my ship won't get squat. lol. It also won't be blowing up any stations or anything unless it happens to find some that are not doing anything at all. I am talking cargo stations sitting empty with the mines on the surface not doing anything at all. That is space another miner could be using right there.  I know not everyone will approve of my methods. Some might want say I am evil or something.  I am not.  On the occasions I raid I don't do it to be mean or cause I like to hurt people.  I do it simple to try to make a little extra profit. Something of which everyone in the game tries to do in some form or another. 

well, let me summarize this
Once upon a time in a galaxy far far away, Meyyo want someone to destroy her station because it's troublesome to pack her station so she ask someone to destroy it. Then jamjulison volunteer himself to destroy it but will need sometime to move his ship. One day, Dadds saw this thread and somehow misunderstand (maybe because of skimming) jamjulison's good will to help meyyo destroy her station. I think Dadds misundersand the real meaning of the thread and the reply message that he got from meyyo



Captain GoodPerson,


Leader of NHC

lets consider another concern. Posting of PM's which is in direct violation of the codes of conduct as set out by Astro Galaxy rulings. That said, i think PMI has a new puppet with which to talk through. I am all about to just toss that GC in the bin and start again from scratch. I find it funny that a person who has never met me considers i am the type to manipulate others. that is sooo funny a concept considering JamJuls justifications toward piracy. "KIll them make them stronger, then recruit them." Gosh it suffers from the Stockholm Syndrome. For all you young guys, google it and understand it.
Now i gotta ask myself, do i report this thread as a violation of rules? hmmmmm i think i will

Seriously? Do you hear yourself Jam? you are going to set up camps to stop excessive raiders so that you can raid them when you feel? You want exclusive raiding rights? I am going to propose you are not fit to be part of our GC with that sort of justification.
I am also going to propose removal of any raiding bases set up by you.
Dont really care if its approved or not since you are a pirate, and our stance is to remove all pirates.

oh, and goodperson. you see jamjul's option to destroy a players base better than me trying to protect that base from destruction?
Tell me this isnt true and i am reading it wrong. Because...i am now re-evaluating this whole treaty. If you are a PMI sympathizer then let me know. it allows me to make a better judgement overall of our stance.

I never actually asked her to post that PM on here. She did that on her own. I never even suggested it.  it was also done before she joined us.  Also I can't ever recall actually raiding her. So Stockholm Syndrome is out.  As for throwing the GC in the bin.  The GC wasn't just your creation. We all created it together. PMI even helped with the terms. We are just getting started and things worked out and you are already wanting to just throw it out.



To be honest I haven't even completed decided if I am going to raid around there. But I am a pirate.  Also it isn't so much raiders I am trying to stop. It is the people who feel the need to blow up space stations cause they can. Has one named Untamed do it earlier too one of our guys.  He said it was cause he couldn't dock and buy fuel. It was not a fuel station and his cargos were full when he attacked our guy. It was also out in the first ring. The outpost I set up myself won't even likely be used by my Cerberus. They will be mostly my science stations, defense stations and a place where I can maybe refuel my COM ships. the COM ships will also be used for helping to go after station destroyers in the areas.  Trust me if I really wanted to raid the 1st ring bad enough, I could have Cerberus out there in no time and it could keep going on fuel to make the whole ring around with just some of the resources I raid. I learned how easy that was when I was first trying to find you guys back in the war.

Still on the removal of our stuff.  If an attack is made unapproved by the council, you would be spitting in the face of the GC itself.  You knew we had pirates in our Corp when you wanted the GC signed in the first place. You knew it when you signed the NAP with us.  I am not going around blowing up random stations. Neither are our people and if I hear any of them are doing it, they will have a lot of explaining to do. You want to automatically assume we are bad people. In particular me. But if you ever took the time to actually get to know me you would see I am not a bad person at all. I am actually a really nice person.



Goodperson just see's I gave the girl options. He also sees she picked the destroying option initially. What I think he doesn't see is a reason to start powering up weapons and threatening to attack over something as minor as this issue. Actions like that actually reflect badly on you.  Just like some of your responses back before our war broke out also made you look bad. If you are truly about wanting peace in the galaxy like you say you are, then give diplomacy more of a chance then you seem to want to. Especially when it comes to the GC.   None of us were really big on this idea to begin with either but we decided to give it a chance.  I for one really don't want to give up on it.

I'm moving this thread to General Discussion, it's not really belonging to Knowledge bits :)

This bickering has no place here in this or any other forum except for the Galactic Council subforums...

Meyyo herself want her station to be destroyed, then there is no problem if someone said that he will destroy it
What i don't understand is why you so eager against this.......

Its a long story Goodperson, but I caught a thread that was a pilot asking for help in game about packing a station. JamJul, as usual, was first on scene to offer advice on how to do so. Trouble is, i felt the offer to blow up a station as a solution a bit excessive. And now here we are....but also have moved on since the pilot has since chosen to harbour under a pirating colours. Sometimes trying to help someone isnt really worth the effort or time sadly.

@ JamJul: With regard to untamed. I have been forced to smash him into little pieces for starting an attack timer on one of my members holdings at her request. He is in my book as a naughty boy to be spanked when needed. As it was outside of sol system and initiated by him against one of us, I fully authorised the shot. That, by the way, was all it took lol. 1 shot. The corp was given 13 mins notice to respond, which we did. A good test on fleet speed & response, not much of a challenge on corp might.

The funny thing with untamed was back before he blew up one of our stations, I had invited him to join PMI and he declined saying he wanted to stay in Sol Corp.  Then a few weeks later the station was blown up. After I delivered a warning to him he responded by saying he blew it up cause the station wasn't open to selling fuel. It was a station for mining. Not selling fuel and untamed had full cargos. I saw the battle reports. If the guy persists to be a problem for both us and you guys, I think we might want to consider voting on if he should be considered an outlaw. Though I would prefer that matter be decided on after I get back from Kentucky in a few weeks. I leave tomorrow morning. Not sure how active I will be. Going to be trying to log on once a day at least just to keep up to date on things.

yeah no problem JamJul. Enjoy your trip. He is on our general nuisance list and is open for our members to engage as they see fit, so long as it doesnt contravene one of the rules of engagement with our Galactic Council. We will wait for you to get back before forming an official vote on this pilot. I think he is just hard of hearing or learning. A very direct PM of "dont attack IMG members holdings" was sent along with a large mark of weaponry to remove him, and yet a day later he was  back like a knat on rhino buzzing our junior members. For the meantime a corporation ship has been assigned away from regular duties to protect one of our own, instead of out there earning corporate dollars. I will send him an invoice for loss of earnings shortly LOL

I am not sure an invoice would do any good. Doubt he would pay lol.

Kentucky is pretty nice. Staying until the 30th. Using my dsi to check things.