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Out of an abundance of compassion for all players in the game, the Pax Forti legislature has come to propose a disarming agreement.

Knowing that LOEP and SPQNR appear to be doing perfectly fine with (dropping COMs? No clue what they're up to) what they are currently doing right now, the extant situation is likely suitable for profit and gain for those corporations. That being said, other corporations, such as [EOS] and [SEC] appear, at minimum, to be marginally negatively affected by the conflict, and by the Scorched Earth policy pursued by [LOEP].

Thenceforth, in order to remedy the state of affairs in AG currently, the Pax Forti legislature is proposing a number of measures:

• All corps currently involved in the conflict, particularly [LOEP] and [PF], renounce the right to piracy and the unprovoked attacking of ships.
• Operation Scorched Earth ceases, or at least ceases to apply to any member of any of the 10 largest corps.
• [PF] uses its military capabilities solely in pursuit of COM missions and any associated NPC missions, but reserves the right to use military force for self-defense purposes.
• Hostilities between [LOEP], [SPQNR], and [PF] shall cease indefinitely, assuming no further provocations are undertaken.
• The Mutual Mining Agreement is reinstated to full effect.

Noting as how [PF] has now developed Mk 10,000+ MAUs and extraordinarily high-level shields, this war is no longer beneficial to any party, and a return to peace would be most profitable to all. Even the prior concerns that [PF] as a pirate organization had too high of a technology status are now alleviated, if not by anything, by the fact that such technologies have been unlocked anyways. Whilst we share the disappointment in SirEmi's patent failure to continue updating and modernizing the game, we do not believe alienation of all new players is a suitable path to follow. Indeed, per our calculations, it is likely that such players as NoBrain made greater profits mining than in the current situation.

The issue of missing modules appears to be now moot. If the issue of funds or outstanding balances remains extant, payment plans, whether in QP or solari, may be arranged after a permanent armistice is concluded.


Per Sun Tzu,

" No clue what they're up to"

Nope, cos your alts don't get in.

Scorched Earth it is, and will remain.

*** TRANSMISSION ENDS ***

So be it.

Where are they? :)

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Mind you, my research capacity now is effectively much of SPQNR/LOEP's corp capacity squeezed into a single account... most of my other corp members are now inactive..

I'm not asking for a screenshot or background story - your tech level is still insignificant.

You're saying this war is no longer beneficial, so where are your ships? I will gladly spend APs to speed up the timer. I still have tens of billions to burn. :)

They are around all right, just variously pointed in some directions. If you're talking about solari donations, I will more than happily take them, but I'm not sure what you mean beyond that.

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if you're asking for trouble... we're afflicted with a bad case of malaise for that type of stuff, I fear

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Forgive my scepticism, but are you absolutely sure about that?

Can not and would not claim to, but in terms of corp capacity I must remind you that we did buy a majority of OREO's stock, so private capacities unaccounted for, the rest we have.

The Empire is not supporting this.
The reasons are written in yellow.

quote:
"All corps currently involved in the conflict, particularly [LOEP] and [PF], renounce the right to piracy and the unprovoked attacking of ships. Piracy is allowed (by the rules) in the game. this is unenforceable.

Operation Scorched Earth ceases, or at least ceases to apply to any member of any of the 10 largest corps. Discriminatory. You are saying hit the common folk  and leave the 'Elite' alone. The Empire rejects this.
[PF] uses its military capabilities solely in pursuit of COM missions and any associated NPC missions, but reserves the right to use military force for self-defense purposes.Good for you, this has been Imperial practice since our founding years ago.
Hostilities between [LOEP], [SPQNR], and [PF] shall cease indefinitely, assuming no further provocations are undertaken.This topic would best be settled between PF and the rest of us. Is it a demand or an offer of Peace?
The Mutual Mining Agreement is reinstated to full effect.The Empire has always respected this. "

Responses, red


To summarize: PF is currently fighting a relatively limited traditional war against SPQNR and LOEP. LOEP, from my understanding, is waging all-out war against all new players and virtually 95% of the playerbase. The Treaty would serve the sole purpose of eliminating these conflicts. I don't quite see how EOS factors into the calculus, and would not see a reason to compel EOS to do anything.

This agreement is chiefly intended to be an offer extended to [SPQNR] and [LOEP]. Once again, while the opinion of EOS is respected and acknowledged, I find no way that this treaty would possibly affect EOS at all. The objective of this is to, at least in the primary stages, create optimal conditions for increased play by new players (even if that means they have to be within a large corp *at first*), such that there is greater incentive to develop and work on the game. In my opinion, destroying AG has no purpose. It will not invite SirEmi to resume development of the game, and is a massive waste of time for those partaking in these activities.

As a corp, we are not attacking nor targeting new players, but instead solely acting against those we have traditional conflicts with (SPQNR and LOEP). We have not touched an ounce of EOS property, and do not intend on doing so. Our goal, to reiterate, is to revert to the status quo ante, where piracy is frowned upon and newer members are given guidance and sanctuary within our Corps. We seek to revise the toxic climate, and instill a cleaner, more welcoming environment, with the ultimate end goal of incentivizing development on AG. I understand PF had engaged in various forms of piracy when our power ratings were <10M, but we are far larger than that, and practicing piracy nowadays would simply be a less extreme version of LOEP's activities.

Piracy will always be inevitable. As larger corps, let's not do it.

All right, this is my personal two-penneth worth.
• All corps currently involved in the conflict, particularly [LOEP] and [PF], renounce the right to piracy and the unprovoked attacking of ships.
I don't believe SPQNR is directly involved in a conflict. Occasionally, PF (aka Caker) attacks one of our players, but it's minor in the grand scheme of things. I also don't believe any current member of SPQNR indulges in piracy or unprovoked attacks. If for no other reason than the benefits are puny compared with other ways of achieving success.
• Operation Scorched Earth ceases, or at least ceases to apply to any member of any of the 10 largest corps.
Nothing to do with us.
• [PF] uses its military capabilities solely in pursuit of COM missions and any associated NPC missions, but reserves the right to use military force for self-defense purposes.
By all means. Fill your boots.
• Hostilities between [LOEP], [SPQNR], and [PF] shall cease indefinitely, assuming no further provocations are undertaken.
I don't believe we've indulged in any hostilities. You must be thinking of PF.
• The Mutual Mining Agreement is reinstated to full effect.
Nothing to do with us.

I agree with Herod.

No one who is currently in SPQNR considers themselves to be in a war with PF.

As far as I know, no current SPQNR member has ever attacked any member of PF in well over a year.   Additionally as far as I know, other than caker, no one else in PF has attacked any member of SPQNR in the same time period.

caker does continue to occasionally discover and make unprovoked attacks on our members, much as he has done for a long time.  It is definitely an inconvenience, especially when trying to do mining.   We simply consider him as a pain in the bu# pirate.

I fully support LOEP in their war stance with PF.   This has been ongoing ever since a PF member (Likely caker himself) hacked into a departed spqnr members account and masqueraded as him for numerous months and then after obtaining control of several of our corp ships, and removing all the high level mods, switched the corp of that hacked account to PF.  In doing that he made off with a large number of high value mods from spqnr, and started the 'war' that caker is talking about.   In fact caker should be credited with the birth of LOEP since it was entirely his pirating and hacking actions which caused the more aggressive members of spqnr to break off and form their own corps and no longer be encumbered by the rather slow and time consuming diplomacy process of spqnr.  

Much as a leopard can't change its spots, I doubt that caker could ever change his ways, and I suspect that much of the assetts that PF controls that did not come from pirating, came from that or other similar incidents of hacking into inactive player accounts.

On the other hand, I do agree with caker on a few points.  Being a very powerful pirate, and attacking players to take and or destroy their assetts would detract from the attacked  players desire to play the game.   I know that when he attacked me several times with a 300M + power ship, and took numerous mods that I had spent the previous year building, I had considered throwing in the towel, however I was convinced instead to switch to COM fighting.   At least if only doing COMS, the ship will simply jump to the safe zone and though you may loose marines, and cargo, and a few days of time, you won't loose mods so it just becomes an inconvenience.

I for one am extremely happy that LOEP has been giving caker a taste of his own medicine, and has been distracting him enough that  I am able to carry on with my own peaceful growth within Astro Galaxy.

I would also be very happy if the scenario that caker describes where all hostilities were to cease could occur, and life in AG would return to how it was before, however that scenario is totally out of spqnr hands.

thank you Jonrovian, I could not have said it better.

Umm did I rejoin the game at a bad time.

As neither SPQNR nor LOEP, and EOS seems to be amenable to negotiations to cease hostilities, it seems as if the differences are irreconcilable.

I understand that SPQNR still retains some degree of influence over LOEP, and the relationship between the two is cordial at worst. The fact that EOS has sided with SPQNR on this issue is, at best, disappointing. Hence, we will eliminate the policy of solely attacking SPQNR and LOEP, and revert to every-man-for-himself.

Because we offered a no-fault cessation to hostilities, the likes of which have been unceremoniously rejected, any further losses incurred by either party will not be accepted as damages under any future agreement.

I'm not even convinced you've read any of the posts. It's difficult to fathom how you can misinterpret so much in so few words:
1. SPQNR has not committed any hostilities against you. The hostility comes 100% from your side, so we have nothing to cease and nothing to negotiate.
2. I consider the relationship between SPQNR and LOEP to be very cordial, but SPQNR retains no influence over LOEP. They do their own thing and respect to them.
3. EOS hasn't 'sided' with SPQNR – Sargas merely gave his very reasonable take on the situation and outlined his own corporation's stance.
As I say, nothing to negotiate. Just stop attacking our members and chances are we'll continue to ignore you and get on with our own thing.

During diplomatic discussions, caker18 attacked and destroyed two stations, 'Vince's Crab Shack' at Epsilon Sirius and the Historical (longest established retail station in the known galaxy)
'Joe's Bar & Grill'
Tthe Empire has changed his corps status from NAP to Active Pirate.


[PF] has attacked the Empire and has been placed on our active pirate list. Any PF'er is now a sanctioned target.
The Imperial citizens are voting on whether [PF] is just a distraction or a walk-on player in the war.


(Edit just to prove that it is me.)

Unfortunately, per Jonrovian's post:

Per Sargas' post:

Whilst Jonrovian speaks on his own terms, Sargas represents his Corp. We find it unusual that a Corp with a NAP would sponsor or advocate for a proxy war against the target Corp. This amounts to little less than betrayal.

While Herod claims to not have any influence over LOEP, I find this position untenable. The reason why this round of negotiations specifically involved LOEP *and* SPQNR is because it is clear that should SPQNR truly intend on reverting back to the SQA, they have the ways and means to do so. While it may have been unclear, the collective inclusion of SPQNR is with the intention of concluding a cross-cutting treaty.

Since SPQNR evidently lacks the will to make any assay into the no-fault re-institution of neutral or favorable relations, in spite of the "inconvenience", it appears as if we must irritate them some more. Same goes for EOS.

Why did you bring the Empire into this b*****it in the first place?
And WHY did you attack me? Is it because you didn't like what I said?
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If there is even the smallest chance of peaceful relations now, you truly need to explain your actions at the Summit Meeting.

You really want to upset and offend one of the most respected, honest, fair, and helpful corporations in the Known Galaxy (KG)?

The Empire has already survived wars in the KG!

So, to summarise:
1. Caker asks for peace with SPQNR and LOEP.
2. I point out SPQNR is not attacking him and that I'm not really interested in attacking him if he leaves SPQNR players alone.
3. Rather than taking the partial victory, Caker announces he's going to continue attacking SPQNR and, for good measure, going to start attacking EOS as well.
Nice negotiating there, Gandhi.

awaiting your response, caker...

The EOS issue was my error. I am willing to compensate for the issue if necessary.

Unfortunately, SPQNR and LOEP are too closely linked. We cannot implement a ceasefire if, effectively, the consequences would be effectively the same as if SPQNR were to attack.

What are you offering in compensation? I will take it to the proper Imperial Department for approval.


The ambiance at Joe's cannot easily be  recovered

Your quote, we can negotiate further if necessary

Ok, it's 'further'. What are you offering?

I need to know your quote first. If you ask me, we start at $100M solari. I'm not sure you're willing to accept that, so put in a counteroffer.

How do you propose the exchange?

The amount can be discussed later after we figure out how to cross corporate trade.

voting has ended.
 it was close (1 vote). there will be no war.

[PF] remains a sanctioned target and carries a bounty, but the Empire will not declare war at this time.

All 'Letters-of-Marque' are rescinded (Imperials cannot get the bounty payment).

Do let us know if the situation changes. The offer of $100m/100 QP seemed to me a little derisory for an unprovoked attack on the Empire. As he rejected my quite reasonable suggestion of mutual non-aggression, should EOS declare long-term war on PF/Caker in the future, I'd gladly contribute 5000 QP to EOS as my 'counter-offer'.

counter offer...

the 100 million you offered plus your MAU MKMMMMMMMMM+.

if you do not respond soon, i will be looking at an Imperial Warrant of Retribution (perpetual) upon you and yours.




(edit -  no war, dialog has been initiated.)

I was thinking about this for awhile.

You could open a station with diamonds for trade, and then I will purchase the agreed-upon amount from said station. Then we return the diamonds via intermediary in a 3rd party corp or directly.

that's a good idea except for the profitability.

i would have to purchase diamonds at SOL station for 2000 solari, but can only sell it for 1750 solari. it would cost me money.


the easiest way would be to use QP for payment. the mining accords have declared that QP in this situation is 1,000,000 solari, so your offee on q100 million would be q100 QP

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As for Herod - we have not completely rejected your offer per se, merely delayed a decision. It depends on our decision for our posturing against LOEP.