Astro Galaxy - a realistic space exploration game

A guild dedicated to mining & self-sufficiency in deep space with mutual defence of its realms and members. A non-aggressive corps, we will defend our territories and allies fiercely. It will be a long, slow haul, but rewarding to see the fruits of our labours
Dadds (#862) is Corporate leader. PM him for any inter corps dialog including NAP's and boundaries.

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Perhaps most of you are. However you do have one member that I will attack and destroy on site. It is a little newbie called Razgr1z. As many people know, it is not uncommon for me to hit people in the Sol System. Usually it is for profit. But sometimes I like to clear out stations that have defenses on them  as well in that area. Hell I do that in the 0,0 area period. Just Sol more periodically.  Some hate me for this. Some become farms. Some learn from their mistakes and my attacks and become better players.  Razgr1z when he was in the Sol Corp, I cleared out one of his stations and what was on the surface of the moon. The next day looted one of his mines.  After that I received some messages from him.  I will go ahead and show you for yourself. All I can say from these messages though is that I am glad he isn't in our Corp and I can't imagine NHC would ever take him either.  Also note I tried sending a message after his last reply there at the bottom but I discovered that after I tried to send it he had put me on his ignore list.




[SOL] Razgr1z(#924)
30-Dec-2012 09:37
WAR

ou want to star tone then fine, consider it started, i'll destroy every last thing of yours and your corporations that i come across
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My message

So all this over some looting and destroying a piece of crap space station. You might want to think twice about this.

1. Most of us are in the top 20.

2. Most are a lot more powerful then I am.

3. My mines are in no danger from you. I keep them protected.

4. If you really want to protect your mines and stations set up farther out then Sol. Sector 0,0 isn't a safe sector.

5. I typically only raid for profit. Though I destroy stations I run across that have defenses. Just to keep them from getting out of hand.

6. If you really want to do this we can. But you will be the one regretting it. Unlike PRKL we aren't idiots. The only ship of mine so far you have seen is my pirating ship. It is the lowest in power of my ships. It is that way for fast raiding.
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[SOL] Razgr1z(#924)
30-Dec-2012 09:49
Re: Re: WAR

think i give a ****, you started this, and im gonna finish it

Well... first he was in SOL corp then.. so by gones are by gones.

But then again, declared pirates are targets of opportunity for us miners in IMG.

Your big bad, go kill the little stations and undefended miners... scary you. Great job. Bet that makes you feel great....

We in IMG are not only miners, but we can also defend ourselves. I would go hunt you, but you wouldnt be worth the $$ or the effort...Perhaps if you show up during one of my jumps I'll show you what a miner can do. You can take your pirating big bad "scary" crew and watch them be blown away.

Good Day to you... catch you on another day

JamJulLison, your comments are noted and are right. We do have Razgr1z in our team along with others that have been victims of noob attacks by characters such as yourself and [PRKL]. As you point out, some learn from their mistakes, and others just quit the game before they get a chance to start because of unfair sportsman type extermination on weaker opponents. We are a team because of players like you, for that i thank you.  We are not about to quit, we are here to stay. I am aware of all my pilots histories and welcome Raz in with open arms. All victims of your style of gameplay will be offered shelter amongst our Corp.
Our co-orperation is under instruction to never attack any other player or team unless agression has been visited upon them with one exception to that rule: Any corps identifying themselves as a pirate corp is exempt from our prime directive.
I would be very cautious about hunting any of my pilots regardless of prior history, we will be prepared for you and exact a swift response to an attack
Take a look over your shoulder at our pilots.
Exactly! most are more powerful than you. I would be very nervous in that top 20 position with 2 of my pilots there with you. We are a very active team that are working well together in support of each other.
Perhaps you need to be considering that partition to us for an unconditional NAP before my dogs sniff you out! :21: <MSG ENDS>

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Dadds, Corporation Leader, [IMG]

so, if you are going to target me because of the clothes I wear or the friends I have, I have some news for you.  I am a miner (with sharp teeth).  If y'all really want to play, come visit me in sector (quadrant) 2,-2.  I'll be waiting if you let me know when.  Remember Razgr1l declared war upon us and it is up to him and him alone who can initiate a treaty.

What I find interesting is that you don't find it wrong that a member of yours is so quick to fly off the handle and run their mouth. It doesn't matter what Corp your in. You don't do that. It is disrespectful.  That is a good way to also make enemies.  Despite what happened I haven't been actively searching him out. It's not worth my time. I will however attack on site whenever I know I can attack him. Even if it means I have to spend some QP if I have any.  I haven't ordered the rest of my Corp to go after him. I leave it up to them if they want to or not. After all he did declare war on all of us.  We aren't taking it out on your Corp though. Hell I won't be hitting your Corp unless I see profit in it.


@Aysle
When i attack I tend to go for profits. I go after bigger players just as often when I am raiding in 0,0. I have even gone after morbius of NHC before.  If I see a chance for profit I will take it. I rarely attack someone just for sport. The reason I tear down space stations with weapons on them when I find them is because if they get a big station set up there, it could post a problem in the future. That said, anything outside of 0,0 I usually just leave alone. Unless of course it is in my sector of space.


@Dadds
You really shouldn't quote the stuff I said to him. That conversation took place before you formed that Corp. I am well aware of the top rankings at the moment. I am also well aware that one of your members has actually paid his way to where he is. He told me as much before he joined you guys. He might be powerful, but it takes more then power to do well in the game.  Also calling my attacks noob attacks shows your still a newbie yourself.  I keep my pirating ship low in power for a reason. That reason is to keep my attack times shorter making it easier to hit targets with lower defenses. Also FYI, I have only been playing a few months myself. So there is a lot I am still learning in the game too. The difference between me and so many others was I was smart enough to realize that mining in Sol wouldn't be a smart idea.  I soon realized mining in 0,0 isn't really a good idea either. I know I have some enemies. I also know that there are other pirates who would hit me in a heartbeat if they saw some profit in it. So I don't give them that chance. If they are going to hit me they are going to have to work for it. What it would cost to find my mines as it is, it really isn't worth going after for them.

LOL @ all of you. Sargas, you wear the patch, you wear the responsibility. That will be the big test of your "powerful" corp. i have little else to say on that matter.
Razgr1z cannot declare war or peace whilst under our protectorate. There is only 2 people who have that authority, and i have the veto on all votes.
@JamJulLison, dont pretend to be some sofisticated privateer, lets face it, you are just an opportunistic bully that takes enjoyment out of killing for its own sake. With regards to the postings, i can quote anything you chose to quote at me in a public forum....there is nothing private between you and raz since you posted it up on this thread.  :))
i dont berate my pilots passion and annoyance, newly out of academy school only to find someone smashing their first steps....i did a similar thing to another squad, albeit in a quieter way. you cost that pilot greatly in sols when you destroyed the station, but you helped fuel a growing movement against your corp...

And yes, i am a newbie myself, also one suffered from early extermination attempt that failed. I am still here and have a solid team to support me.

 
Indeed. You are the expert on making enemies so i will add that quote as expert testimony lol. i think by smashing someones station who is also a new guy without a warning is a pretty pathetic an act in my opinion. then to pm and give advice after the fact lol....you come into my "home" and you will get the very same response. It wont just be all words though

stations are not potatoes, they do not grow with time. one can set up an artificial moon with nukes, shields and thousands of marines in a matter of minutes.

So, following this thread and will throw in a query (not a js query).

How can you determine looking at a station, mine encampment, or
ship that it belongs to a new person.  Low level tech is not a sure
fire method, so ???

Being angry is one thing. Cussing out someone else for attacking them is another. I am not the only pirate around Sol.  I got a feeling that now that Scion is back and active in OX, he might prove to be a bigger thorn in your side then I am. I actually have cut back on my pirating activities.  New players though need to take attacks against them as a learning experience. Rather then flying off the handle and cussing someone out, they should think about what they are doing wrong. Mining period in the early game is risky because they can't get far out from Sol. Instead of mining new players should first stick to transport missions. That's what I did in the beginning. I also did some pirating to add to my profits to help me get ahead. One of the players I actually hit quite a lot actually recently has joined our Corp.  He was angry like your guy at first too. He sent me a message similar to what Razgr1z.  He has since then apologized. Also after he had calmed down he began to take it all as a learning experience. He no longer leaves mines unprotected and has become a better player. So my attacks actually helped him.

Your Corp seems to be doing the same. In which case can be said that I helped in that as well. Just think if I hadn't been around would you have grouped together together to help each other out like your doing?  Would some of you have learned to protect your mines as much as you have now?  You can hate me all you want. But fact is, my pirating can actually help players to become better players.  The ones it don't help are the ones who get mad and quit or just continue to do what they are doing. But let's face it the ones that quit likely would have quit eventually anyways and the ones that never improve, likely would have never improved in the first place.  I have played other online games where I have been in the situation that some of your people have. In those games I always became a better player because of it. I didn't sit around and complain about how hard it is or that such and such person attacked me.

As for me being a bully. Not really. A bully tends to purposely go after a person constantly harassing them. I don't purposely go after people.  In the Sol system I usually only pirate as I am doing transports missions. So a lot of times I just happen to come across a target of opportunity.  When outside of Sol when raiding in the rest of 0,0 , I comb the system looking for easy targets I can make a profit off of. I don't regularly hit those systems though. I do it maybe once a week depending how much I actually feel like raiding. I don't really care who's mines it is as long as they aren't one of my corp members. I am just going for some profit. If I see a station, I first check for defenses.  If there are none, I will usually just loot. Unless it happens to be a science station that I think I might be able to make a profit off of.  Most days though anymore I just mine, do COM missions and SOS missions.


If I want I could just search for the person using the search for user in the friends list area.  But I don't bother with that when raiding. I see a target of opportunity, I will go after it. It doesn't matter to me if the person is one of the top people or one of the newer people. Profit is profit.  Most of the top people I have actually hit or tried to hit have at least understood this. They know it's nothing personal.

One can? no! Theres oh at least... lets see... a good half a dozen players or so out of all the past and currently active players that can actually do that. Anyone else will have to work long and hard to get to that point.

Destruction of stations like that is an act of subjugation clear and simple, its certainly not piracy. You can hardly expect that people will not seek retribution. Unfortunately for the game though most newbies just throw in the towel after a few hits like that.

I do agree about not using foul langauge is both unnecessary and potentially against the rules. However people do react in the heat of the moment, they fire off a nasty PM to vent their frustration, but remember in 99% of these situations it was the player who attacked first that started it. Complaining that a snowball gets bigger when you roll it down hill is kinda baffling.

Retribution against me I can expect.  After all i did it to that person. Foul language and a declaration of war against my entire Corp from a single player on the other hand is another matter entirely. Sargas destroyed a Science Station of LordDirac's. I told him straight up what happened was between him and LordDirac. After some discussion with NHC leaders it was pretty much agreed apon that the entire Corp would not be to be to blame for such as attack. The issue was kept between those 2 and was recently resolved.

In my message to Razgr1z, I was simply pointing out why it would be stupid to declare war on an entire corp when by yourself.  Since he made this declaration, only he can call it off. It doesn't matter if he is in IMG or not. He made this choice before he was with you and must live with it.  I am not going to actively search him out but I will attack him on site when I can. What he should have done though was kept this between me and him to begin with. Not tried to drag the entire Corp in to it.  I am used to love letter such as his. But when it comes to the Corp, I have to take it seriously.

I personally don't have a problem with IMG as a whole. They are just trying to mine and do well in the game.  I would hate for it to come to war. Especially since I know the ones that will suffer most are your members. I don't wish for new players to suffer. If I did I would do more then just raid people. I would seek out the newbies because they are newbies and bash them until they quit.

If I may interject  hi ,

Can IMG speak with the other member and suggest that he make it 1-on-1 and work
this as either a conflict or truce between the two?

And would JamJulLison accept it as between them, if Razgr1z agreed??

-- Switzerland here... you know, neutral.  B-)

I have no issues with keeping it one on one. I don't usually like attacking unless I can get some profit anyways. I should point out though I would not cease pirating in  0,0.  It is like I have told other corps, teach their members to protect themselves and try to mine outside of 0,0 if possible. I don't raid further out from there. I also won't attack any stations I find that far out too. Simply cause it isn't worth wasting fuel and searching what is likely to be a lot of empty planets. It isn't very profitable. The only exception to this is in my sector. But I can't the lower powered newbies reaching my sector any time soon and some of the stronger people generally keep out of it anyways. In case people are wondering how much profit I can make doing this. I made a little over 100,000 solars after hitting 2 systems back to back on my Christmas Raids. Most of the mines belonged to the same person though. His corp has suggested he move out a little further but it doesn't look like he has yet.  You might wonder which Corp he is in and why the Corp doesn't come after me. They understand I mostly attack for profit. I don't actively seek them out and I don't go after anything of theirs outside of 0,0. Trust me when I say this Corp could likely beat me into the ground if they wanted to. lol. It took some talking with them but there is a mutual understanding between us. It's not a NAP. It's not an alliance. It's not even a peace treaty. Just a mutual understanding. Just like if one our people goes after one of their larger things, the person has the right to get a little payback. In the end we all laugh about it though and continue on with the game.  None of us cuss each other out though. We keep things civil.

Before this all gets out of hand on who shot who lets nip this thread in the butt. I dont have a personal vendetta against you JanJul or [PMI] in general. My beef is with another so far un-named corp who systematically came into my first system and tore  it to pieces. not 1 pilot, but 3 or 4 of their squad when i was a newly graduated solarian. Thats for another story and day.
You are just the unfortunate who popped his head up and issued a KoS on a pilot under corp protection. Personally i dont like your way of gamestyle cause it can upset the gaming of others, but i accept there are all sorts of personalities and traits when you play a game that involves other players.
As so eloquently pointed out by Scion, destruction of a space station because a player was trying to defend a territory is not piracy, it is akin to terrorism. There is always going to be someone bigger and better and more powerful than others in the game who can destroy bases at will. Does that make it right or justifiable?  That just paints  a big red target on your back.
There is no doubt that i wouldnt have scrambled to form a position and corp from the deeds of others and so readily attracted like-minded and like-treated individuals so for that i thank all the raiders out there. One day there will be a pay back event in true Karma tradition. Until that day comes, my little pack of furry marsupials will shelter and grow in the shadow of the dinosaurs

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Dadds, Corporate Leader [IMG]
"What doesnt kill you makes you stronger"  ^{Frederich Nietzsche}

As I understand it, your pilot declared war before he was under your protection (as was the KoS).  The war status he started cannot be rescinded just because of membership in a club.  Since he declared war as an independent player, only he can rescind it (and it should not involve anyone but him and the corp he declared war upon).

Sargas is quite correct. That said I haven't told my members to go after him despite it. I have left it up to them. I am just operating on a KOS myself with him.  The reason I posted letting you know what was going on with him was because you and your Corp have the right to know about this situation.  If it is ever to be resolved, not only would he have to take back his declaration, but he would also need to issue me an apology for how rude he was with me.  Yes he had every right to be mad at me. He had every right to come after me. But he had no right to use that kind of language with me.  When your angry at someone online, it is best to take the time to calm down a bit rather then flying off the handle cussing someone out.  I am sure you wouldn't like it if I did it to you.

On the subject of the Corp that tore apart your stuff. I think I know which one that is. It's a pirating corp correct? That particular corp tends to destroy more then loot.  While I can be a nuisance, asides from what I do to stations, I tend to most of the time just settle with looting the mines occasionally and not destroying or capturing them.  I don't differentiate between new players and old when I do this. The more experienced players know the risk mining in 0,0.  The newer ones I hope can learn to defend their mines better or learn move further out. Either option can work well for them. It is best if it is a combination of both. If someone can't, then they usually end up becoming a farm. If not for me then for someone else. The galaxy is a tough place. Especially in 0,0. Old player must come back to the area to do things. New players start off there and are eager to try what they have learned. Some become pirates. Some of them are just straight out buttholes about it.  The combination of so much in that small sector of space tends to make it a lot more dangerous then the rest of the galaxy. That is why it is a good idea to not mine in that area and why it is a good idea to not leave your ship in orbit of a planet/moon when you go offline.  Something you will discover about me if you actually ever take the time to get to know me better is that while I am an aggressive player, I am also a really nice guy.

In keeping ontopic with this thread, i will restate our stance
We have zero tolerance to piracy since all our members have been victims of piracy at some time or other and as such those groups are outside of the corp non-aggressive stance.
Whether or not one of my members in the past has upset someone previously and uttered war chants, justifiably or not is irrelavent. As with all organisations, such as a church, all refugees are offered sanctuary under our umbrella. That sanctuary extends to full physical protection from marauders. i cannot be a proper leader and say, " oh well if you said something bad then you deserve it" and turn a blind eye when individuals target one of my members outside of the role-play they have chosen.  
Any and all hostilites will be dealt with with clinical and exacting force.

Dadds, Commander-in-Chief, [Independent Miners Guild]

So by this message i understanding that you will attack any pirating corp?, But bc ur attacking pirates for profits its ok? Which ur second in command told me just today he did to one of my members, but What i also dont get is the last part..."role play they have chosen" this whole disagreement is over one of ur members, Not at the time thou, saying he was going to destroy one of my corp leaders, and our corp. He decided this was his role..So like a normal person JJL tried to talk to him at which point he dug the hole of being attacked on sight from us, Now if he would simply say hey, i got a corp and the past is the past im sure we can work it out, But instead we have u Dadd jumping in and telling us that its over, when its not till both sides are happy or at least in agreement. I been a way for a little while and only playing from my phone but im back in full force, and im not exactly the kind of guy who sits ideally by while one corp tries to tell my corp, Who is x6 bigger then u, tell us what needs to happen..Aka that we need to leave Razgr1l alone..

Now i want to work this out, simply for the fact that is not good to drive active corps from the game..But any more of this

("exactly! most are more powerful than you. I would be very nervous in that top 20 position with 2 of my pilots there with you. We are a very active team that are working well together in support of each other.
Perhaps you need to be considering that partition to us for an unconditional NAP before my dogs sniff you out! 21 <MSG ENDS>")

and friendly conversations end and ull see what all our ships look like powered up,  U said this

""There is always going to be someone bigger and better and more powerful than others in the game who can destroy bases at will.""

there only 2 maybe 3 more powerful then me and 2 of them are in my corp..
 having a few top 20 captains isnt a biggie, but having 4 top ten captains, and 6 if everyone powered up is, i know u got a guy who donates but remember i donate just as much as any player..most combined..  But i like u me and JJL to sit down and talk about all this and work out a healthy conclusion, no more of this back and forth, whos got the biggest balls crap..

start a new thread. this isnt the place for this discussion. power up if you wish <shrug> coming into this thread and puffing out your chest doesnt impress me in the slightest. As you say, enough to and fro-ing with who did what first to whom...i merely pointed out our stance and roll/game play. your member wants to make a personal issue from it.
 i was the first to suggest you should be talking to me about a NAP. Now you want to talk after an incident in sol. So be it, set a time.

Dadds [IMG]

well u miss understood, there will be no NAP. PMI doesn't do that. if we did we would of with NHC when both groups thought it might be beneficial..The talk will just be to ease tension

We are not tense at all. just goin about our business as usual, mining our systems, building equipment, smacking the occasional pirate. Things are all on track here. Not sure meeting with you in some remote system and risk an ambush or escallation of "tensions" is in our best interests at this time. Not to mention the time and cost to come and meet you. Perhaps you need to take this conversation to a PM and explain to me exactly what you hope to achieve with this meeting. So much fuss over a Corporation Stance, sheesh! :confused:

I know we are a long way 'West of the Pecos' out here, but what [IMG] is promoting is vigilante justice.

(A vigilante  is an individual or group who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority.
Vigilante justice is extrajudicial punishment  that is motivated by the nonexistence of law and order or dissatisfaction with justice.  Lynching and gunfighing have always been considered forms of vigilante  justice.)

 Once in a while the true criminal is punished, but there have been too many instances of the innocent being harmed.  In most cases the vigilante is more of a criminal than the victim of a perceived offense.

Any meetings regarding the hostilities between our two corporations need to be both public and open.

And as far as "Not sure meeting with you in some remote system and risk an ambush or escallation of "tensions" is in our best interests at this time" is concerned, I have discovered that those who will not trust cannot be trusted.



(edit for the usual reason - spelling)

Thanks for the definition of 'vigilante' most likely pulled out of wiki. I am sure we are all feeling more educated from the information. Not sure why it is posted in this thread since its relavance is tenuous at best.


I will make 2 points to this opinion.
1. There is no law out here to begin with, other than at Earth. "Taking the law into our own hands" , or vigilante as defined in the quote, is our only option to defend and survive against pirate raids. Where is the "legal authority"? Who else do you turn to if not yourself and your allies?
2. We are not promoting any such vigilantiism. You guys are doing a great job at that yourselves. Heck you have managed to push us out to the limits away from sol and banded us together. Keep up the good work!

We are miners who wont be treated like cattle or farms for the lazy and greedy. you want cash, go dig it out at a meter an hour like the rest of the workers. or run comm/sos missions. It working for us

You guys seriously believe you are the innocent bystanders in space? the oppressed and wrongly accused and sadly misunderstood? O.M.G. I shouldnt be too surprised with that though, its the usual response to someone who has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. There are no nice pirates and thieves and cutthroats out there. Sure maybe one day we will catch up for a beer, but i wouldnt be leaving my wallet on that bar when i visit the bathroom lol

You want to invite the public to air our dirty laundry? lol go ahead that could work. Then you would have yourself a lynching party. Save us the trouble of disarming you.


I wont be replying to this thread any longer since i have made my point many times over. My second in command will be able to answer any further enquiries on our stance should he feel the need. Your boss knows where to contact me. All this chipping away with other people's input isnt helping resolve anything.
I have a corporation to run.

Dadds <....Transmission terminated >

No nice pirates? I'm sorry but that is where you are wrong. I am actually a really nice guy. I pirate mostly to help bring me in extra income. I also hope by raiding in the 0,0 area that I can teach players. new and experienced, that it is not a smart idea to mine in 0,0. The game needs good players. Some people won't become good players unless you give them that push they need. It is as simple as that. That said it does take some intelligence to be a good player as well.

I am going to keep this simple. Right now we are taking a vote. But I would like to offer you a deal.  An understanding that you would be smart to take.  It is the same understanding we have with NHC.  Attacks for profits are permitted. But revenge attacks are allowed by the person being pirated if they wish to against the person who raided them. If one of our people attack you and you can't be sure it was for profit or you can tell it wasn't, some revenge attacks are permitted against the person who did it. If one person alone isn't enough for a single revenge attack, another player is allowed to help out.  Afterwards things are even and we just go on our merry way. I also want an apology from Razgr1z for cussing me out.  If Razgr1z had destroyed one of my stations or some of mines I certainly wouldn't have done that to him.

War is never beneficial to either side. In a situation like this, it would be really bad for your entire corp. Mines wouldn't be looted. They would be destroyed and captured. Space Stations that are found would be destroyed. Ships would be attacked at every opportunity. We wouldn't stick to just one area of space either. We would hunt down every thing we could. Don't think our people don't have the resources to do just that. To some fuel might be a bit of an issue. But to most of them, it won't really be a hindrance. So think of not just yourself on this one but your entire Corp.

Well, as I stated before the stance of our alliance is simple. We are miners by trade but more then capable of defending ourselves.

We don't hunt pirates, but if we come across a pirate in our travels we are free to take the opportunity for some extra profit. Just as I did recently with Capt Bob (he was kind enough to leave behind a Adv Miner Mk IX for me). We leave all non-pirating alliances alone.

We will continue on with this. These are the rules in our alliance and we aren't going to change them just because some pirates dictate it isn't ok to attack a pirate. Seems you guys want the cake and to eat it to. You can't be a pirate and not expect others to eventually attack you in the fashion that you live by.

I never said in the agreement you couldn't attack us.  Hits that are clearly for profit are of course fine.  Any ones that seem not to be for profit we could have course get a revenge attack in on.

I question your attack on Bob as being for profit. Granted he had a MK 9 mine there. But basic mines aren't that great to begin with. I can't see it being worth the QP used to speed up the attack. An advance mine I might understand though. Also Bob is actually one of our most peaceful members. He keeps to himself.  From what I am gathering from you guys though is profit or not, you guys are going to try to attack us on sight if you see you can win the battle.  In general, if a place is outside of 0,0 I won't attempt to destroy a station just cause I can if I am outside of 0,0. Even in 0,0 it just depends on if the stations have defenses and the power of the station. Under 40k I will go for. More powerful ones I tend to leave alone. Not that I can't destroy them, I could with my more powerful ships. I just think it would be too inefficient to do that. Why do you think I didn't go after Tumppi's station on Jupiter? 

The deal I have offered you more then fair. Especially after the actions of Razgr1z. This deal would mean I don't go after Razgr1z on sight either despite his actions prior to joining IMG. As I have said before, he had the right to be mad at me. He didn't have the right to threaten our entire Corp. I could have ordered my Corp to just go after him on sight. But I didn't. I could have also hunted down every thing he has. But I didn't. I would have had every right to after his declaration and with how he cussed me out. The reason i want an apology from him as part of this agreement is because that while he had every right to be mad at me, he shouldn't have cussed me out either or declared war on the entire Corp.

In all this bother with politics and whining, I missed some very important dates to celebrate...yesterday was my 1 month anniversary playing this game! Happy monthday to me! :cheers:
Another important date, [IMG] was formed out of a need to school for protection like the small pilchards we are, just one week ago!  :cheers:  :drink:

Now with the celebrations complete, here is the list of OUR conditions, which really arent conditions, since they are unconditional!! (gosh i love that line!)

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[PMI] or its members will unconditionally withdraw any KoS on any of our members
Further, JamJulLison will pay [IMG] financial compense for acts of terrorism and loss of earnings, including wasting my time in forums instead of gaming, to the value of $20M solars. This money to be delivered to Razgr1z in Earth's orbit, with a personal apology delivered for unnecessarily rough conduct to a new graduate and for gross unsportsman-like conduct (Mr Nice Guy)
[PMI] or any of its affiliates will not at any time attack a position under the protection of [IMG] unless its prepared for the retaliation that will ensue.

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Now, have i left anything out? Oh, whats that you say? what are we giving you in return? Sure, fair is fair and there should be some give and take. We promise not to send you all bankrupt in a futile attempt to find us and embarassment with the bottom slapping we will deliver along the way. Now do i have everyones attention?
Failure to comply i hear someone ask? Well, that i am afraid, is classified TOP SECRET operational procedures.You will be issued a public statement in due course should you choose not to comply. As WolfDoc advises to me, i am not here to get into some sort of machismo contest on how well hung we are and flashing our tackle from under our kilts to intimidate you all just yet
So now its time to truly listen :-
Dont ever post on a corporations stance how we should or should not conduct that stance. That is sheer arrogance with a massive show of ignorance (where is sargas with the definition of ignorance...i know what it means and using it in context)
Dont ever post a veiled threat to us, to intimidate or bully us into playing to your desires.
Dont question me or my pilots motives ever again. They are motivated in their actions by the rule of conduct we have agreed upon by being a member of this corps.
Most of all, when i say i am finished responding and explaining a stance to the slow of learning and the selective deaf, DONT DRAG ME BACK IN TO THE DISCUSSION!

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The line in the sand is drawn

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P.S. That is good advice, not to mine at 0,0. Pity your preachings are reaching us and not your squad mates. It was unfortunate that it was Bob who was hit, but my colleagues were only following up on your good advice and teachings, JamJul. It was a profitable strike. Why did he hurry with QP? Gee let me think, in pirate territory with 1 ship and having an opportunity to strike down a loan pirate or....wait for the hours long countdown and the possibility of reinforcements arriving to mess the attack up, or to scoop up the mats, etc etc. It was a good tactical move to do as he did. I would have considered similar moves, if i was presented with the same scenario

Dadds, Commander-in-Chief [IMG]

good luck with those conditions...

[PMI] or its members will unconditionally draw every our member on their KoS list.
Further, JamJulLison will loot from [IMG] financial compensate for acts of bullshıt and loss of earnings, including wasting our time in forums instead of gaming, to the value of $20M solars. This money to be looted from Razgr1z, with a personal mockery and sincere laughter.
[PMI] or any of its affiliates will at any time they want attack a position under the protection of [IMG].

fixed it for you

Ho hum go back to your galactic law office Norill and leave the humour to me. You are a much better bean counter than you are a comedian. This thread will be closed shortly to give a proper response time to those active parties this thread DOES concern. I am still debating whether the offensive language used in your posting is a reportable offense

Dadds<out>

ehhhh, oh well it was worth a shot. It is at least as likely a happening deal as the one presented to us by JamJul earlier.

Well what a pickle we have here...

As I see it now, there is no option for agreement. We won't take your deal, you won't take our deal. So we only have two options left.

War...not sure what exactly your reasoning is for war but to each their own. As far as I know we got raz that bad mouthed Jam. And me that profited off of Capt Bob (an Advanced Mining Module 9, that was a nice profit argue as you might).

Just as you claim our members are at risk from yours, your "peaceful" pirates are just as at risk from us. And a few of your larger members might be surprised what we can pull out of our arses.

The 2nd option would be a return to business as usual. You guys pirate, we mine & take pirate profits when they drift our way. No KoS's, No agreements about retribution. Just continue playing the way we have up till now. We have our miners life, you have your pirate life.

So, which option would you guys like? Its your final call Jam since our corp are all committed to doing it either way and you were the one with an issue with our stance posting to start this all off.

Good Day All

Aysle

 my statement and deal have been retracted

modifed

btw if u guys didnt know. ive only been playing for a little over 1 and a half month...Took me 2 weeks to get to number 2...and sad part is i been on vacation for the last month, i seriously kid u not when  i say i put thousand of dollars into this game in matter of weeks, no matter how many of u donate u cant compare to me...So dont get cocky bc u think u have 2 or 3 donators..

lol dadd putting all the crap a side, norill not a guy u want to annoy, i was put 1 or 2k a month into emi other game plus 18 hours a day, which im number 1, 3 different times, and he managed to beat me with no donations, norills a talented guy and if u annoy him ur honestly screwed..

You can ignore Wolfdoc's post. There is no way I will agree to their terms. Wolfdoc I know we are both the leaders here but please just don't send any more replies to their messages. It is pointless. No matter what we say or do one of them will just give us a sarcastic reply. I have tried to be reasonable. Their leader in particular show's people no respect. Just look at how was treating poor norill before norill had even posted on this particular thread.  He never deserved to be treated with as much disrespect as Dadds has shown him. It is clear to me that Dadds head has become inflated since taking the throne.  After all he isn't just disrespecting me or my corp, but he is showing disrespect for others as well.

Dadds let me say this to you. I have been trying to be respectful in all my post. However with each one of your post you seem to grow more arrogant and disrespectful.  I am not the only one who had noticed this as well. I have spoken with other people in other Corps and they agree me on that.  Let me say this about my terms. They were reasonable. They would have benefited us both. I wasn't asking you to bend over and kiss my butt. I wasn't asking you to pay me any sort of resource. I wasn't asking anything as ridiculous as your counter offer. That was just downright disrespectful. 

So here is my final word as I am done talking here. I would like to borrow and modify a quote from a famous group.

We are Pirates. We are Miners. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

Well, Im not sure how this was sarcastic, or any of my other posts but ok... you have the freedom to interpret how you choose.


Not sure how exactly it was disrespectful for his reply to norill's post about a galactic law... It is just what it is. There is no law especially when pirates are involved. We have our corp law. Only attack pirates unless a non-pirate attacks us first. Heck even sargas agreed with him about this galactic law. You going to put him on the plank for speaking his mind?

As for norill's post in this thread it was unneeded, we have made ourselves clear from the get go. We have OUR stance, its not going to change.

Yes Dadds settlement offer was sarcastic, so what its a game. We didn't actually expect you to agree to it. I think you need to consider how worked up you get over some words on a game.

As for showing you respect. Why exactly? Your a pirate? You came in making your big bad threats, wanted us to change how we play to placate you. Expected us to agree to your "codes" of reprisals. Make someone apologize for some words before we existed.  As others posted destroying stations isn't just pirating... Pirates like to come back and farm ports. Destruction is about subjugation.

My terms above were reasonable. We could both continue on in our ways as we have. You prefer the war option. No skin off our backs. Sure a couple of us donate...not heavily. We like to earn and build what we have. Some may choose to buy their victory, we want to earn ours.

So we will see you in your backyards. We will relieve you of your previous booty from others. We have friends in other corps too. We aren't all that worried about what you guys think of us.

See you in my sights shortly.

Good Day

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edited for spelling ugh

Bravo Aysle. So many words i could post here. No real need cause its all really off topic. A stance is a stance. no amount of badgering will change that. no conditional stances, no alternative chances stances, no one off or special stances to suit a situation. No threats of violence or shows of power can sway us.  The only mistake i made in this forum is i should have posted our stance as a closed topic, as its not and will never be, up to debate by other corps, whether they be ubber powerful or meek and mild.

Now if you will excuse us all, we must go polish our weapons of war, form our various contingengies, and wait for the ocean to try to beat down our rock pillars. Any1 for rock, paper, sissors? <click!> Locked and loaded :gunsmilie:

See you all in space, may moral justice be served

Dadds, CiC [IMG]

_{edited for freudian slip chances/stances}

Oh and BTW thank you for all your readings and negative votes. It means we are already winning, and in fact i will claim our victory right here. We have disrupted [PMI] sol criminal activities, caused you to spend mega sols just to try to overwhelm and guarantee a victory and got you running around like headless chickens trying to find us. The really sweet point is, we havent had to fire a shot in anger or lose so much as a meter of Iron.  I did warn you bankruptcy was a very possible outcome to campaigning against us. Hell even my tongue-in-cheek counter demand in hindsight was quite a small price to pay compared to what you will be paying for an extended campaign. i should have gone for 40M$ lol


Again, thankyou for all your negative reviews, i will wear them as a badge of honour. (OOC-My children also give me little badges that i treasure, you remind me of them so) I hope Sir Emi gives out gifts of QP for the most infamous poster of the month!

Dadds

im at Alpha Sigma Draconis come play

Yes, we are going to target you for being a member of a pirating corp. Just as you pirating corp targets all of us miners they can get their hands on.

Care to be a bit more specific? Space is a BIG place...and as much as I enjoyed mining and completing com missions in quadrant 2,-2 its just a massive waste of fuel jumping from system to system hunting for a needle in a hay stack. All those solars are better used upgrading my ship to play with the big boys.



Give me a bit of time to outfit my ship and I'll come out to play with you... We aren't dumb enough to take on someone who's ship power exceeds our total power. But we will be there soon with our own shinny ship and we will have earned it instead of bought it with QP.

lol right, coming from the group that has at least 2 donators...i believe u..but when ever ur ready...

Small donators, like you know buy VIP, and some officers, buy a titan to jump start.... not on the order of your $1500+ a month buy the farm mentality.

And lets not forget your supposed OCD I click every 3 seconds 18hrs a day guy that apparently has access to hundreds of IPs from home. Seeing as I work in IT, and work with ISPs that just not how it works.... give it a test, release your IP from your cable modem/DSL and reacquire. You have a 99.9% chance of getting the same IP back. Funny how that works...Because ISPs use DHCP to assign IPs and DHCP servers set a lease time for the IP (using your unique MAC address), if you renew your IP before the lease has ended you will most likely get the same one back. And just for fun, if you do totally release the IP. Unless someone happens to request an IP in the instant you have none, you will get the same one back.

But this as this is fair game in the game apperently... don't fret our 2 small guys and small donations.

As I said give me a bit of time, Ill get there...till then your small fries are our gravy when seen. Just as you guys say don't mine in Sol...perhaps you should warn your members the same... Perhaps Pirating in Sol as well for yours Matamaure001's strength and below....

Kerbos is the one with the OCD. Not Wolfdoc. Your definitely an IT tech alright. It proves it by you not having your facts straight there. Just like what has happened any time in the past when I have had to call for tech support. I would also like to point out that Kerbos doesn't live in the US or even the UK. It may work a little different where he is at. I am no expert but I can't say for certain. Of course changing one's IP address or at least the one you show to the world can be done easy enough if you know what you are doing.  FYI it is possible to change that unique MAC address. Which could allow you to get a different IP address if you reset your modem.  In case your wondering why WolfDoc donates so much though, it is because he is a friend of Emi's. He wants to help Emi's game. He also doesn't mind sharing the wealth every now and then to players who can't afford to donate. Those who could actually use some extra help.

As for our guys mining in Sol. I have warned them not to. They know the risk. If someone gets them in 0,0 it is their own fault for mining there.  Some miners can be a bit stubborn though and it takes a bit of a push to get them to actually mine elsewhere and move outward in the galaxy. Let's face it if a player just stays in that area, they aren't going to grow very fast. Even without pirates raiding, the resources there aren't that great and their progression is likely to be slow. The COM Missions and SOS missions are also low paying in that area compared to further out. Once you start doing stuff further out, you start to progress faster in the game. How many in your Corp would have gotten themselves in gear and actually moved further out and improved yourselves more if it wasn't for people attempting to raid your mines? Perhaps you would have. Maybe even Dadds would have. But I am sure there are at least one or two in your Corp that wouldn't have.  People like to talk about the bad sides of positive. But few like to talk about the positive effects it can have. That right there is one. Another is that the game would get really boring if it wasn't for people raiding others. I know we don't like each other.  I know we aren't going to likely get along any time soon. But honestly this war breaking out is the most exciting thing to happen in this game yet. Other Corps are watching and waiting to see what will happen next. The news release by Dadds was a nice touch.  As was the one I did. Stuff like that helps to keep people entertained and updated on what is going on. Not to mention it is kind of fun. I think regardless of what happens here, at least some of us are going to have some fun with this. I know I am having fun already. As are some people in other Corps who are enjoying following what is going on.  I do have one thing though to say about you Aysle. You at least do seem to show some respect. I appreciate that. Dadds on the other hand doesn't.  That right there is the reason why negotiations broke down like they have.  I try to show everyone a measure of respect whether I like them or not.  Even when they show me disrespect, I try to show them at least a little. That is just the kind of person I am. That said, I will only tolerate being disrespected so much.  There is a line and he crossed it.  I could sort of understand though his attitude with me. He hates pirates. But he has shown this attitude with other people on the forum as well. So I can't help but believe that if he hadn't crossed the line with me that he would have crossed the line with someone else. Maybe not even a pirate. Maybe another miner.

Fact is respect is respect.  It goes a long way. There are other people in other Corps that could tell you that I am respectful to them.  I am not rude with them. I don't cop and attitude with them. When there is a dispute we sit down and talk about it like mature adults. We don't act like an immature teenager. To be honest Aysle, between you and Dadds, I would say you are more suited to lead that Corp then he is.  You try to remain calm, rational and show some respect. That is something that makes a good leader.  People like Dadds on the other hand, often times lead their troops into their own destruction.  I have seen leaders like him on other games I have played online. The result was usually the same. The alliance was either crushed by a larger would who was insulted by the leader and or some of their members or they would all eventually start to bicker and argue and one by one they would leave until the alliance was split up.  In some cases the members would just straight up quit the game.  One of those futures is what I see right now with IMG as long as Dadds is running things.

To Dadds, I didn't mean any disrespect towards you. I was just stating things how they look to me and how they look to others I have talked to. If you wish to reply you may reply of course. But I ask you at least show some respect. Otherwise I request you just let Aysle do the talking. I really don't feel like being disrespected again.

To save space and so we don't start quoting 10+ posts, Im going to skip quoting this time...

Jam, re-read what I posted, Yes I know it is Kerbos with the "OCD" (was just leaving out the name as it has been well discussed on these forums), Wolfdoc is the huge donator. As I said Wolfdoc donates alot and you have a guy that has OCD, two different people. Anyways... Perhaps the cause as to why it is now taking alot more votes to be rewarded by a QP because this situation....

And no Im not a basic IT tech... My line of work is in IT architecture design. Extremely large networks (10k+ nodes) and large data centers (25k+ on-site servers).

--- Technical junk----
Also FYI the basic underlying protocols of the internet work the same all over the world. Yes you can change your mac address easily, but each extra step adds time so we are really pushing it. Change the mac, release IP, get new IP, vote for 5 sites in a 3 second window.

FYI the voting mechanism here doesn't recognize the vote till 1000ms has passed AFTER you clicked on something on the voting page, even with opening a new tab for each of the 5 votes, you now have to click each tab and click something... Don't know how fast your hand is but thats atleast 1-2 seconds. Better we not add-in a unplug / plug back in the router (and router reboot - tons of time). But lets just consider the network cable unplug/replug. That will add time to. Physical movements. OSI level of reacquiring a connection (its not instant). Try this out, unplug the network cable from your router and see how long it takes till the internet works again. 1-3 seconds and thats pretty good. But he was supposed to vote 5x in that time...  Anyways we could argue this matter forever. SirEmi has his reasons why this is ok, and I mostly am ok with them. Higher votes on the sites more players for us, better game for us.

--- End Technical junk----

Great for Wolfdoc donating so much. If I didn't have children and a college fund to worry about I perhaps would donate more... But I  also prefer to spend large amounts of $$ in RL.

Yes we have given you guys credit for banding us together. I will say thank you for that. Even though I was never a victim of piracy I heard the tales. I was lucky enough to be helped out when I started out and avoided the raids. I actually tagged along with the rest of our corp while they moved outta Sol and went deep space. If I didn't happen to be talking to them in Sol chat at the right time I would of missed the boat.

Ah HA, finally the admission of WAR  :))  Anyways yes, its the most exciting thing happening here. Makes the game more fun just as our News Releases and our Shock & Awe opening salvo. Yes that was TOTAL overkill. How else do you start a war? Not with a rock in a sling shot.

Remember also we are miners so the cost of the nukes was free :). We earned the resources to make the nukes with mining instead of buying them outright.

As for respect, well its a difference of opinion there. Respect is earned not given. Guess you could call Dadds & I bad cop/good cop. We work well together. I like to write long posts (just as you did) whereas Dadds shoots from the hip. I personally crack up at his sarcasm as well.

I look forward to the activity going forward. I look forward to how this conflict effects the other corps and makes us all more engaged in the game. Its no fun to play if the others aren't playing to.

So, to finish this out as I do need to get some sleep. I await your reply and the engagement it will bring. Happy Hunting to all

Aysle your post didn't say it wasn't Wolfdoc either on the voting thing. So it looked like you were talking about him. I doubt I am the only one to read it that way. But I agree on dropping the subject of voting. You have seen my opinion on how the voting is on other post right now.  I wouldn't have called the cost of the nukes free. It took time to mine all that. As they say time is money. lol. It was a good opening shot and I had told Madmark earlier on to not mining in 0,0. So I can't fault you for taking a shot when you could. It is war after all.  From your post I am glad you are taking things in a good spirit as I am. With your attitude you might actually be able to hold that Corp together.  As for dadds acting the bad cop. Acting the bad cop is one thing, showing disrespect is another.  A leader should always show some level of respect. I can say though that you have earned mine. Dadds on the other hand hasn't, but I am not going to sit around bashing him either or being rude.  I am not going to sink to that level.  On the subject of respect, that was my main issue with Raz. Hell I was going to keep the issue with him one on one. But I felt you guys should be let known about it. I also figured the forum is a good chance to show your new alliance what kind of people you are. Also I wasn't going to actively hunt him down.  But that is the past now and things have grown bigger.  I hope at least through out all of this at least you and I can at least keep our words Civil. As for Dadds, if he can't I would at least like to ask he refrain from saying much. I don't wish to sit and argue. I think most of us are grown adults so I can't see why we can't act like such.

LOL we are all going a way off topic and OOC here but jam, i reccommend if you dont know what you are talking about, not any expert, etc etc, i would stop running that flap of skin you are yacking with, and put it to some other more effective purpose.

Lets revise this comment for example and break it down.

Hmmm a 3rd world country that is using a different protocol and deliveries than TCP/UDP/IP i wonder how he is talking to us? I think there are aliens amongst us with alien technologies

Of course, in the old days its called ip spoofing. similar in concept to how NAT works and considered at best very poor form. Used to be a way of getting back into chat rooms that someone banned you from for being a ....well, royal pain to put it politely. Nowadays we have a new version of protocol coming in, opening up many more IP addresses,  called ipv6 to provide the world with enough chat lines for this rubbish to work on
yeah, get a new network card. Other than that, please let me know how you manage it, i am pretty sure the Feds will be very interested to ask you the same questions. at the least, FCC or whichever authority exists to regulate network fraud in your respective countries. Pretty sure that would put you on the list of wanted to talk to hackers
If he wants to help why doesnt he just give/gift the money away for further game development, or ask to come on board as a developer, instead of building up in an impossible timeframe for any other pilot, donator or free player. I am a donator as well, giving a 10$ gift as well, to try to keep pace with game and speed a few components of the game up a bit to where they become more interesting. Personally, i dont care what a person does or doesnt do with his money, that is his choice, and its not correct to discuss this with anyone but him, but dont try to tell us its for ultruistic reasons when he has such personal power, while his "pirate come miners" are getting wacked by hunters.

My two bobs worth, for what its worth. get back on topic or open another thread. this isnt the place for this

Dadds

[quoteTo Dadds, I didn't mean any disrespect towards you. I was just stating things how they look to me and how they look to others I have talked to. If you wish to reply you may reply of course. But I ask you at least show some respect. Otherwise I request you just let Aysle do the talking. I really don't feel like being disrespected again.][/quote]
and yet from another post thread:
and shall we go for yet another?
On that one you bring in your friend Norill, who is infact an alt of ffffffffffffffff of [PRKL] also friends with you, wolf and [PMI]
i can keep on quoting and finding areas where, in my opinion, you are disrespectful towards me, both you and your colleagues. i dont cry about it. if you dont want me to reply, dont post against my posts with insults. i am a trained flamer (do not even go there with your homophobic responses to that ambiguous term, in this context it means to war with sarcastic words)

OOC-To bring you all back to the basics, this is a game. I am to the most part trying to play a roll or character. You want to play the polite thief and vagabond, like the scarlet pimple uhhh pimpernickle something like that. Well my roll is your exact polar, the never-do-wrong to the innocent, morally steadfast and unswerving captain of a miners corporation that is doing it tough, have had hard knocks, and has a real attitude toward the pirate lifestyle. A whitty, dry humor with extreme sarcasm toward those that come here to play. I am not here for popularity votes, i dont play on facebook with likes/dislikes. i dont care if you dont like me, that is your choice, your loss. I am playing a game, you bring it personal or try to. And take it personal. I put it down to cultural and age differences, and a particular syle that is not for all fainthearted sensitives.

You are to me like a jeckle and hyde, posting how nice you are and such, then go off and attack someone personally. At least my character stays along the same fashion.
Why do you think i stepped back to ask Aysle to communicate our terms, cause i knew there was nothing i could say would help. However even his input was rejected by you. Now you want to get all friendly and back-slapping with my 2IC? lol If i sum up one word that can describe you best, jamjul, is inconsistent. Nothing personal, just an observance. If you are going to have a stance, stand for it. Anything less gets my disdain. To quote as Aysle says, "respect is not a given, it is to be earned" You came into my thread to pick a fight. You failed to do your research and got one. Object achieved.

Yes i am trying to spice the game up, and in some ways its working. people are forming factions, opinions, sides. All sorts of overt and covert talks are happening. Mostly though its just your corp and our corp, David and Goliath, that are butting heads. One of us will have to back down i wonder what the odds are on the gambling page lol
Otherways the threads are just getting nastier and personal and taking some of the fun out of the game.

Hopefully the game will head towards having more fun, but not if these threads keep growing in nastiness. I used to play a game called Jumpgate many years ago, no longer around unfortunately. that was fun with factions and wars and miners, pirates, warriors. while more video enhanced than this one and seat of your pants, a similar concept
Guess which type of character i chose: a miner/merchant that builds things. also anti pirate raiding. no surprises there. My character doesnt change much, cause much of what i put into a game is myself.

Dadds [IMG]

woah, i had a good laugh reading this. let me quote you once again:btw, great example of hypocrisy. recommending someone to shut up if he doesnt know what is he talking about AND doing it yourself in the same post, bravo.

as for the fast IP changing part - some ISPs have a policy to allocate completely new IPs every time user connects, opposite to "sticky dynamic IP". they usually provide a premium option to buy a static IP. but im still not entirely convinced that Kerberos sits all day and manually resets his router.

on a side note - im glad to hear something from Aysle. man, you seem to know how to do the talking. you should be IMG's spokesman. or better, leave that corp :D

Dadds I see what the issue is now. Your trying to RP. This game isn't an RP. I am not trying to get into character or anything. I am a person expressing my opinions. I am not trying to be anything more then I am. You will find a lot of people don't sit here and RP in character as is. Especially when dealing with matters of diplomacy with other corps. I don't treat what happens in the game like I would in the real world. After all it is just a game. In the real world I would never steal anything from anyone. But I do try to negotiate things that would be best for my corps and try to handle myself as I would in reality.  I show respect.  Yes I have taken shots at you. That is because of your blatant disrespect to me. Though I didn't mean it to disrespect you. That is just how I see you. Or how I see your "character" you seem to be RPing. You have only yourself to blame for me thinking that though. Yes respect has to be earned. But no one can earn respect first without showing some in the first place. I have for the most part showed you some respect. More then you really have deserved. What have you, sorry your "Character" done,  you have just shown disrespect repeatedly to me. Tell you what. If your going to talk to me, just talk to me as yourself. Especially on here.  I don't mind the little news releases how they are. They are entertaining. But I would rather talk you as some person rather then a made up character. BTW who ever said Norill was my friend? Who ever said I was friends with PRQL?  Yes I have had some contact with some of them. I have also raided them in the past.  They are neither my friends nor my enemies. We are neutral with one another.

Yes Norill you are correct about that. I couldn't remember what parts of the world still did that or not.  It is possible they do that where Kerbos is at. I can't say for certain since I am not there.

Hey JJL,

Just wondering why your getting caught up on this respect thing.

I hardly expect to get any straight up respect for how i choose to play. And quite frankly IMHO between you me and the door post, neither I nor you, or anyone else for that matter that preys on the week really actually deserves any.

Perhapes i could get some grudging respect for my game skillz... but none for me as this character, because, hey, Im a pirate... and who in their right mind is going to hold me in high regard or esteme for stealing from them? Why should my victims have to show any regard or for my feelings, or wishes, when i have so blatantly shown none for theirs?

Now i do feel, no i state unequivocally that i and every other player in the game has the right to be dealt with politely, but I am in no way expecting anyones respect.

IMG is a corp hell bent on taking retribution against pirates. PMI is a corp that actively supports and engages in piracy... you guys are never goning to get on. Enough of this war of words already, show us what the both of you are made off!

JJL lets try to reconstruct the moments just before the big bang...i am a new recruit, straight out from SEA training. the corps isnt really a corps that i understand it. We meet, we drink and have a yarn about how many drones we shot in training...and then i think well, its probably not great to set up around sol cause i am a late starter and already there are scarey pilots/pirates out there so i head off thinking, i need a place to call home. My main error was thinking i was far enough out. You see, when you are a new player and your range and time to calculate a jump are huge, you cant get too far. i got far enough out to be safe for about a week, when my world come crashing down on me. Not by your squad admittedly, but by a similar group of black-hearted criminals. They destroyed my first module, reasoning was, cause it was mining Iron. Sorry to all those pirates out there who dont profit from looting iron mines.....how was i supposed to know i was going to be their farm.
Then they continued to multi-target me until my system was stripped and i lost everything except what i could gather up while being smashed to the safe zone. After it was all over, i didnt have the fuel to limp back to sol for repair. I didnt have the sols to pay for fuel to limp to sol. The only thing i could do was hit the vote tabs to get 1k of sol at a time until i could afford to get back to home. Just because i mined iron.
Now you talk about respect i can show you the pm's i received after i got hit. Pretty much i was going to quit this game after about a week of playing (out of SEA)
You guys find it entertaining it seems, to smash an individual like that, and almost made me throw up my hands in disgust that a game is allowed to operate that way.

A few kind words and remarks from other new sol members made me stick it out for a day or two, and i watched and learned quickly, who were those terrorists.
When i finally make a call to leave my starting corps to venture out by my lonesome, i had met a few like-minded guys and so i asked them if they want to come along, they are welcome.
i didnt need anyone to follow me, i didnt care if they did or not. i made my choice to go it alone. i didnt have to pay them or promise them riches, just the ideal of being left alone from the threat of extermination.
To my surprise and delight, several pm's hit my box asking for an invite, so we set about a bold plan to build away from sol.
Naturally my next move was to form some sort of constitution. a corp law as such. Something we can stand by and hold true. Of course it had to include, not treating others as we were treated in the start.
Then along came you, and started waving guns in the air and threatening one of my members, who couldnt defend against you.

You tell me which pilot has been disrespected the most. I just defend my territories and my stance. It is unmoveable.

Oh and i wont post any more quotes, but you say this game isnt a rp? what is declaring yourself a pirate crew all about if it isnt roll play? again, i see such inconsistencies in your arguments. maybe i should have quit that first week and found a more consistent player group of gamers to be with, but now i have commitments to see things through for my corp buddies.

Sure i use sarcasm, i am an aussie, we use it all the time. The best usually reserved for the best of friends. If you post an opinion here that is inconsistent, expect that i am going to tackle it for what it is. Not once did you send a PM to me to tell me you had issues with one of my crew. You chose to take it public and threaten my stance and challenge me over it. What else is a leader going to do? "Oh, sure ok np, you can attack razgrIz since u have issue with him, just dont hit any of my other members"
Was that what you wanted?
Remove all your claims to KoS on any of our squad now and accept Aysles counter proposal 2nd option, or i can guarantee you, things wont go to your plans. Actually. things arent going to your plan since we remain safe, and you got 2-3 pirate body bags to deal with.; Many more count to come

Dadds

And in response to Norill or ffffffffffffffffff (did i miss an f? or too many?)
What gives you the impresson i dont know what i am talking about? have you seen my resume? I have been involved in communications longer than you have been born. Go ahead and validate your argument . I would be happy to hear what you have to say, provided it isnt just the nonsense just as you just posted. JJL posts he is no expert, then continues on with dribble. it gets a flame. Tell me what you think Norill. Are you an expert? maybe we can swap ideas lol. Feel free to validate your credentials here, rather than just pick and poke with nonsensical argument. You are just that little annoying bug that buzzes around when your hands are full. Post something inciteful Norill, show me that you can hold an intelligent conversation

There was always another option early on in our negotiations with us that you could have done. It is one I would have done. I would have contacted Raz about it and made him get in touch and reascend the declaration of war and apologize to the person he cussed out. Hell if he had been nicer in his very first message I might have offered to give him compensation for his loss. Or if he hadn't declared war on my entire Corp I would have just left him alone. He had a good reason to be mad at me. But they didn't do a thing to him. Yes he was small and couldn't really do anything, but I take all threats against my Corp seriously. Just as you do.

I understand why you dislike pirates so much. The way that group was operating was not a good way to operate. I don't just destroy a mine or harvester because they are mining something crappy. Hell if I see a better resource on the planet I sometimes PM them and suggest they mine the more valuable ore instead.  I also posted a list of tips for newbies here on the forum. Just because someone is a pirate doesn't mean they have to be a butthole about it. As for the stations. I do admit it was a butthole move to do. But I also look at it like this. If he had got that thing completely completed, someone else would have come along and wiped it out costing him even more money in the long run. Or they might have left it alone and perhaps he would have built a 2nd station. It does happen after all. He gets that up bigger and more expensive, then someone comes along and blows both out of orbit. It is better for a person to find out just how unsafe Sol, hell even 0,0 can be as soon as possible so they can know to move further out if they want to mine.   Now that you have said your story I want to tell you mine.

I was an eager cadet when i joined. Before I even started doing the tutorial I drew on my past experience in other games and went over to the forums to absorb as much knowledge as I could. With everything I learned one thing became clear, being a miner in the early game would be a bad idea. I had also learned that graduated get a 2nd ship. So I decided what I would do. I would use my first ship as a science ship and my 2nd as a raiding/transport ship. After 3 days I graduated, moved my vipers over to my 2nd ship and began my adventure. I had my Phoenix sitting in orbit while my Leviathan was off doing transports. It was only raiding people who I happened to run across on transports. For the most part I just looted mines. Though I did on occasion destroy them for the extra resources from them. If I captured them, I loaded them on my ship and sold them back at Earth. Every bit of money back then counted so I took whatever I could get.  After maybe a week Scion accepted my application to join OX. This was the day after I had hit one of his ships sending it into the safe zone. I learned some things from him. I did enjoy my time there but something was still missing. I thought at first it was because I wasn't traveling out and exploring much in the galaxy. Hell I really didn't want to because as you said, those systems that seem to close now seemed so far away back then. Then after meeting other people in the games and becoming friends with other people in other Corps I realized what that was.  I wanted to be able to mine and enjoy the game to it's fullest. I wanted to be with people who had a similar mindset. It was actually Heretic of EIMC that gave me the idea though. He originally suggested I create my own pirating corps and ally with them. Then if they need some dirty work that needs done, I would do it.  I wasn't too fond of that though. But it made me think of how good a corp could be if it was made up of pirates and miners. Then the idea for  PMI was born.  After talking with WolfDoc we agreed on the corp. His corp was renamed and both myself and Scion joined. Kerbos and Capt_Bob from K-K also joined us.  I think it was K-K anyways.  We worked to become organized. I grew stronger and traveled out further and now I must say I am happy with how things in the Corp are for the most part. I mine. I do COM missions. I do SOS missions. I occasionally pirate.  But I am not out there every day harassing people. For that matter it has been quite a while since I destroyed a space station.  I am here to enjoy myself playing the game. If I didn't enjoy the game then I likely wouldn't play it.  As for some of us having a similar mindset. That just means we sometimes tend to think the same way. But our playing differ a little from each other in some ways. For instance, most don't raid people.

BTW I have played other games where I have been through similar things to what you went through there. But unlike Raz, I never cussed anyone out for it.  I worked on bettering myself and becoming a better and stronger player. Oh I would send people messages. But they would be overly polite message congratulating them on their recent attack. In one game in particular I went inactive a while and my planet had become a farm. In the span of a week I went from a farm into a planet no one even wanted to touch. I also joined that particular server when it was already old. In time I grew to be one of the top players on that server. Oh I wasn't in the top 10. But if I remember right I was in the top 50. Which means a lot more on that game then it would here. Power here can change so easily that you can't judge a person by their power on here. Of course this was all years ago. lol. Honestly on most games I don't even raid people unless they are inactive or something. On this game it can provide a decent extra income.  So I consider it a good option.  But I don't like to go far when doing it because the fuel cost can sometimes make it not worth it.


@Scion
Just because someone is a pirate doesn't mean they deserve to be disrespected. Yes some might be real buttholes in real life. But some might just be people doing it for the extra resources like myself. I am not asking to be liked. You don't have to like someone to show respect to them. When it comes to matters of diplomacy, both sides should at least pretend to respect each other. Otherwise nothing would ever get accomplished and a war could break out like it has here. I know for you that is no big deal. You don't have many mines and you live by your ship. You don't even really have any Corp members. I on the other hand not only have myself to look out for, but my corp members as well. Some of which are newer players themselves. While I am not concerned much about most of my bigger players, after all they can take care of themselves, the newer players might have a harder time.

As we all know disrespect means both lacking respect and being insulting. Now i dont like to be insulted, but it really does just come with the teritory, If you attack other people you must surely expect to loose their respect, and that they may be driven to insult you as well is hardly surprising especially if that is the only means they have of immediate reprisal. Wether we actually deserve to be insulted could be a matter of debate, but that it will happen is not. If you dont want to be disrespected then the solution is simply to not Attack people. IMHO too believe that you can attack people and still demand that they not be disrespectfull is ... well, its a little deluded my friend.


When it comes to diplomacy it surely helps if both sides remain polite or at least civil, but you can be polite while still showing your complete disdain for someone, You can even be polite and disrespectful at the same time. I actually think for the most part youve both done at reasonable job of staying polite, at least weve not been inflicted with a slew of foul mouthed obsenities as others may have been want to do.

The thing is I haven't attacked Dadds. At least not that I can recall. My issue originally was about one of his members who did in fact slew a bunch of cussing at me and declared war on me and my Corps before they had formed the Corp. In the twist of things how it read to me, they were actually supporting a guy who would do such a thing. In their shoes, whether the alliance was bigger then me or not, I would contact that member, see what they have to say. Then have them come on here post and work to make peace on things. Or at least apologize for cussing the person out. If any of our current members were to do such a thing and I found out, I would immediately make the apologize for it.  If they didn't, or they did and then did it again, I would boot them out so fast it isn't funny. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other Corp leaders would do the same if one of their members behaved like that.  The way Dadds postings were going I actually started to expect the same kind of behavior from him. Your right he has remained somewhat Civil. But he has also been rude.  I admit I got a little rude back but I tried to keep it toned down some. Then he took it too far with his insult of a counter offer. Here I was being serious and he pulls that kind of crap.  He went out of his way to do it too.  Little insults here and there are one thing. That was something else.

Dadds I think the time for all this debate and talking is really over. At this point we are likely to just keep repeating ourselves. So there isn't much point. I will see you on the battlefield.

yep we will be out there. We will be defending those who cant defend themselves against the aggressor. Jake1976 was one of your victims, and my very first friend here since we had similar stories. It was how this idea grew into a top 3 corps. Jake has still chosen to remain a true miner and battler, which i admire him for. Its for people like Jake and those that i meet, that i take the ultimate sacrifice and alter my preferred gameplan, so that they can enjoy to be protected and sheltered, to do what they love to do the most. Heck, in some worlds, some of my best friends are pirates lol. we dont discuss politics much, but every now and then a little bit of mutual assistance and to share of each others unique talents and skills can help grow close bonds between such dissimilar methods and beliefs.
As to sanctioning my new team mate, insisting on a formal apology from them or suffer my wrath was never and will never happen. The event happened outside of our corps. I understand the dispair of losing a start to a wonton destroyer. i get the passion and in the heat of the moment the hot albeit futile response, as Scion says, his only gesture or action left to him. I wanted to do the same to my nemesis....probably started to type something strong....then rethought things. Not everybody has the skills to think before they act. If everybody could, it would make for a very dull world we live in. If Razgr1z offered up to make the apology on his own volition cause he feels he made a judgement call error, then i would accept that. Never would i insist on it, never did it cross my mind to insist on it. My leadership works on mutual respect and teamwork and character building, not on being the big, bad boss who will be obeyed. Not everyones cup of tea, but in both gaming and real life it has always somehow elavated me to the leader of a pack.
Your only attack on me was really to get my nose out of joint, posting a KoS in a thread that was saying, here we are, these are our values, leave us be or suffer the effects. The first thing you say to my very first post is you are going to kill my colleague on sight. Hmmmm, now i have to defend our stance or seem weak and unsure of our real motives.

What didnt help was then your colleagues jumping in on the thread, and your allies or friends also putting their opinion in. Now that to me feels like a gang attack...so if i you feel i became defensive and agressive in my stance and lashed out, that is why. Never corner a badger in its own den, you will rue the day!

The greatest misunderstanding here is you fail to be able to comprehend what it is to be me and my moral values, and steadfastness. i reply with scathing words out of defence and defiance and because i have a great control of words. I know how to find others weaknesses with them. You guys really walked into that with both feet first lol

We are from different cultures, different generations. They made us stone tough back when my mould was cast, and immune to petty sensitivities. So if i am a bit harsh on the chat, its because to me its a game of words, and dont always consider my words strike so deeply to some. To me its just water off a ducks back. So sadly, we suit up and arm up and start the body count. Maybe one day if it ever ends, i can get back to what i enjoy most. Building and exploring and trading.

War is war, and usually it is the weakest and most innocent that suffer by it. That much is provable in Earth's history and undisputable fact. Hopefully i have all my flock that are the weakest well covered and defended. Lets see if we cant change history

See you all on the battlefield guys. Nothing personal hey

Dadds.

I want to say something else on the issue of Raz. I never asked our members to jump in like they did. Hell I wish they hadn't. But I try not to control them and to respect their wishes. If there is a big matter to decide on in the corp, we put it to a vote. Ordering a member to issue an apology or at least a retraction of a declaration of war on an entire alliance isn't bullying though. It is called pulling rank and making them set a situation right. Raz didn't just once do it to me though. He did it twice. First in his first message. The second time in his reply back. I did try sending him another message back but I was unable to do so as he immediately put me on his ignore list after that. As I have said before. I get getting angry over the attack. I have admitted my attack was kinda a butthole move. I don't deny my actions. I will even admit despite some of my reasons for doing so being positive, what I did was still wrong and he had ever reason to be mad at me.  I will at least own up to what I did.  But he isn't even coming on here and doing that.   I understand you don't like me coming in with a kill on site declaration being made by me.  I got an issue where I am not exactly tactful.  I tend to get straight to the point at times. Which is what I did there in my first message. As I explained to you though and even showed you in his messages, I was only responding to him the same way he was going to do to me.  However I couldn't be sure he would have even told you about it. So the best way to bring it to your attention was to tell you. Maybe I should have done it in the game instead of the forums but what is done is done.  If I hadn't told you at all though and I proceeded to hit him over and over. he might have whined to you that I was attacking him without even explaining the reason behind my attacks. I have played games where there have been plenty of people who have done just that. You like dealing in faqs correct. Lets look at these facts.

1. I attacked and destroyed Raz's space station.
2. I looted 1 of his mines.
3. Raz cussed me out declaring war on me and the rest of our corp even though our corp had nothing to do with it.
4. I tried to talk some sense into him by pointing out to him why that was a bad idea at the time.
5. He proceeded to cuss me out in another reply.
6. He then put me on the ignore list after I tried to send him another reply.
7. I told our members that it was up to them what they wanted to do.
8. Everyone pretty much decided he wasn't worth it.
9. I decided to just only attack him if I happen to run in to him like he would me.
10. Raz joins the newly formed IMG.
11. I contact you about the Raz situation on the forums and wasn't very tactful about it.
12. You start defending him.
13. Hell kinda slowly starts to break loose from there.  From there on it really isn't about raz so I will end the faqs there.

Here is the conclusion I draw from the facts. Raz is hot headed. He got mad about my attacks and decides he would stupidly declare war on me and the rest of PMI while cussing me out.  After my reply he is still angry and cusses me out. Later on he calms down and realized he is in a mess. Then an opportunity arrives. You guys are forming IMG.  Since you were all in SOL together and many of you victims of piracy, he knows he can easily get in and he knows some of you might be able to protect him. So he joins IMG for that protection.

There are always people like that in every game. I have ran into plenty of them. Nothing I have seen from him has proven otherwise. Hell he hasn't even been on the forum to try to defend himself. That itself says a lot.  I understand and even respect you wanting to stand up for your members. That is one of the reasons I have tried to show you some respect. However when one of your members screws up like he did, the member has only brought it on himself.  Here is an example of something that actually happened last month. Sargas had actually attacked and destroyed an NHC science station belonging to one of their members. By doing so he risked the wrath of NHC. But NHC didn't take it out on all of us. Like how it should be, they got themselves a nice revenge attack on Sargas. Since he did what he did, he expected it to happen and didn't get mad after it did.  Afterwards everything was cool between us all again.  Now lets say this had been one of your members that destroyed another members science station, not saying they would, just saying what if, your current actions suggest you would back up that member against whatever Corps wanted revenge on him despite it clearly being his fault.  By protecting him you would be condoning his actions.  It's the same as protecting Raz after what he did. By doing so you are condoning his actions. Which of course means he is likely to maybe do it again in the future.  When one of our Corp members does something I expect them to at least own up to it and accept responsibility.  That is what an adult does. If they can't act like an adult, I don't want them in our Corp.  I do accept people who aren't adults into PMI, however I expect the same behavior from them as I do everyone else. Don't get me wrong when it comes to the not so serious stuff we may joke around and act a little immature. Especially Sargas who I think is 63 now actually.  But at his age he is allowed to have a little fun. As long as it don't endanger the corp and cause us problems, it's fine with me. I am pretty easy going for the most part. I only pull rank when it is necessary.

@Scion. It is sort of what my point is Scion. However, believe it or not, you do get some sort of grudging respect from me. Not for what or who you are, but that you have chosen to be this character, and you play it within the bounds of a rum-drinking opportunist who picks off the easy cream. You stick within that role and dont complain when the authorities, or even vigilantes, catch up to you and string you from the nearest yard arm.

Its a tough career you choose to take on, poor public opinion, target on your back, having to stay 3 steps infront of the gathering revolt of the peasants with pitchforks screaming for your blood. Not a career path that i would choose for myself, living on the edge like that.

I would expect a pirate to consider removing a military fortress that was hell bent on ceasing their activities in a region thereby restricting the pirates cash flow, if he had the power to do so. Its another thing to remove a pilgrim who is just trying to defend his belongings. You understand this, other pirate clans seem not to get that concept.
So again, i dont agree with your life choices of free flowing rum, women and pillage (hmmm wait.....oh, never mind lol) I do like that you play the role and dont pretend to be something other than what you are....a scurvied dog and terror of the skies ;)
i leave you with this famous quote from Black Adder

"My lord, the peasants are revolting" - "They certainly are, Baldrick"

Dadds (yes me again, [IMG])

You seem to think one station in an area can aide in the defense of an entire area. Aside from the wormhole protector providing some warning, it doesn't do anything else to protect a system. Just the planet it is around. A pirate such as Scion or even myself, could hop in fast to a planet, start the attack and in about 3-4 min be out of that planet's orbit with the loot if the planet itself has no defenses.  Any station with any sort of defense on it, no matter how big or small threatens to stand in the way of profit. There for Scion is just as likely to blow up a station as I am. One difference though is he doesn't care if other players improve. I actually hope that players can learn from the experiences and become better players. After all the game needs better players. I already admitted it was kind of a butthole thing to do. But it is done.

ur right its usually the weak to suffer the most, Hell ur attacks showed that, all u done is hit the smallest guys who cant afford to travel far out yet..lol Great victorys, hell Sim joined our corp after the war started and u consider that a win.. But as for the whole article, anyone can spin a story to make them sound like the good guy.. Hell in happens in every war people ever been in.. from the U.S vs Terrorist(Iran & Iraq) to the cold war to the world wars..So if this is what u think the war is about that's ur opinion..Just keep in mind, this is a game, a pirate game on top of that...that ur taking way to serious, only part ive taken serious is ur lack of respect..

Since when?


Don't see anything there about pirating; sure, it can be a part of this universe, but it isn't the main directive of the game, if you ask me...

Pirate Quest is a pirate game; Pirate Corruption is a pirate game; Pirate Galaxy might be a pirate game...

lol maybe u should ask emi, the maker of the game, it is a exploration game as well, but since the beginning of time, if there explorers there pirate.. this game was designed to have pirates..

Then i guess our presence here adds an element of complexity to that concept of a pirate universe. I must admit, i was surprised when i first started, to find so many top pilots as pirates or pirate corps. Quick conclusion to that was the game dynamics is keyed to pilot vs pilot attacks, or piracy i guess. Of that there is no doubt. It is much easier to get a start in this game by attacking others rather than building. I still chose the harder way of playing the game. I think since the birth of our corps, we show that there are other ways to play the game, using teamwork and hard work which shows that being in a corp can be beneficial. Hopefully Sir Emi is watching the development of its subscribers and gaming patterns to better cater for the complexity of an unknown world and a game shaped in part by players determination.

You got your wish. We became better players, but what you didnt expect, we became good teamplayers also. Seems this thread is the hottest topic next to our imminent super nova explosion experiment lol

_{edited to better describe our actions. We are scientists, not demolishion experts}

just wanted to Congratulate you guys :) :)