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The question is for how long.

Just great!  :)

The Syndicate will not destroy this specific station.  :)

Ok now this is odd.  Sargas defends you on that abuse thread and now you don't destroy his stuff. Something really seems off about this.

JJL, the one has nothing to do with the other.

my 'defense' of his actions as far as 'bug abuse' is a different subject.  

I will try to explain that topic once again in the proper location.

As far as the station is concerned, it is a peaceful, non-military, establishment serving the good of the galactic community.

I am sure that Rafe sees it as such, and not as a threat.

quote: "The Syndicate will not destroy this specific station." end quote.  I am sure that he intends to use it himself.

and, the quote refers only to Sargas Oil Jupiter Station and not my other holdings.

Can you see how some might wonder about this though?  I believe you.  But I hope you understand my concern.

Oh, yes, I do understand your concern (and I thought long and hard about the consequences, otherwise I would have set it back up a long time ago).

This station was set up for many reasons;

1. profit for me!!!!

2. testing to see if I can sucessfully set it up.

3. It's needed to defy the 'SOL CORP' mandated prices.

I offered to do exactly the same, openly on the forums under one of your postings about a fuel stop, and suddenly Raphael is tipped off about my location and destroys it. Since we are in the same war (we ARE in the same war, are we not?) then why isnt your stations subject to the same ultimatum as my own, Sargas?
Perhaps you are the recipient of the tip off payout to stop any friendly competition in the fuel business?
You have just given me probably cause and motive.

Raph's station there has been blown up. I took care of it.  Also Dadds consider this. Maybe Raph is just saying he won't do this to cause tension among us.  He can't beat us in a war of ships.  So he is turning to psychological warfare.

You've spent 250k solars for a 5k solar station, why speed it up?

It was destroyed, and now three new stations are deployed. I've also sent my 6th factory ship to prevent weak ships from destroying it.  :)

I am sleepy and didn't feel like waiting. 250k is nothing to me.

Dadds, are you impugning my honor?

And Dadds, people will not listen to you if you just reply to someones elses topic.

If you have someting to say, start your own thread...

IMG started the war and PMI was only dragged into it (same with ITO) so the treatment will of course be different. Every station by IMG will be destroyed by the Syndicate once located. Also, the Syndicate located many PMI and ITO stations and ships but chose to ignore them. The difference in treatment has been going on for many weeks.

The Syndicate is more lenient towards PMI and ITO and still offer NAP to them, whereas IMG will forever be hunted by the Syndicate. As stated in another thread, PMI and ITO should follow NHC's example and become neutral. They only became involved because of the Galactic Council--although the GC doesn't really mean anything and looks more and more like a wasted effort to me.  :))

Oh terribly sorry Sargas, i must have misunderstood what a forum is for. Now i see it. YOU start a topic which then allows you to dictate on who can and who cant reply to it? Not open discussion?
Forum: a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged

@Raphael:
You are really deluding yourself as being an innocent victim hey. It was you who continually attacked my junior member positions and when i asked you to stop as a civilized person would, you declared you would attack anyone at any time you chose and no one could stop you. The reason PMI got involved wasnt because of the GC. When i first asked them to get involved they declined, until you started hitting their sites also. You need a serious education in history, Raphael
You drew first and 2nd and 3rd blood, now you have me on your tail and bit off more than you could chew by going after PMI at the same time. Thats how i see this panning out.
From the first round, it has been you declaring to wipe me out of existence, its been you posting bounties to get others to do your dirty work for you.
Its just a pity not all of my PMI allies have the same tenacity as I do when it comes to dealing with a situation.
So as to your continued stance on destroying every outpost i have, i shrug my shoulders in your general direction as it being yet another lame threat which is good for only kiddies bedtime stories.

and before Sargas gets all huffy and locks another post up, here is a reminder of Raphael's recent historical posting which his short term lapse of memory seems to have forgotten.
Now its is my understanding that PMI are a part of the GC. Another lame threat Raphael? Or are there backdoor sweetheart dealings?
There are a lot of ships now orbiting a GC membered station. So come and attack them!

I apologize for this.   It was said without thought.

What I meant to say was "Why are you so interested in this topic when there are important GC matters to tend to?"

Raph let me just say this.  Even if the GC were to ever be disbanded, it wouldn't take you off our radar. If the GC were to be disbanded there are only 2 corps I have real interest of having NAPs with. That is IMG and ITO.  The only reason NHC still has a NAP with us is because they are GC and because of their former leaders who I considered friends.  If there is no NAP, that means they are fair game including your corp.  You have not given me sufficient reason to even want to sign a NAP with you. Not to mention your corp is just you and a semi-active player. All your corp ships are used by you rather then being divided among your members.  Hell a lot of our corp ships are designed for use to help weaker people learn to become better players and teach them how to learn to do stuff for themselves.  All you are doing is using the Corp system to help yourself.  Also if the GC ever does disband what supporters you might have in Sol corp will suffer to because attacking in Sol would no longer be banned.  The GC was formed to help keep the larger corps in check with each other and to help out smaller players.  Look at all the stuff sitting around Sol right now. Before the GC you would be lucky to find anything in Sol cause stuff would get wiped out quickly.  We may not always get along.  Some of us might argue and fight.  But in the end your still going to be looking down at the barrers of our weapons.  Even before the GC was formed we wouldn't have tolerated the behavior you have shown in the past.  As it stands now PMI doesn't see this as a war like Dadds does.  We don't let it disrupt our every day activities.  But that doesn't mean we won't go after your stuff whenever we can get the chance. 

The Syndicate doesn't really feel obligated to explain its actions to a very hostile corp.

The Syndicate however has been waiting for another "strong" station to be set up by IMG, but still none is in sight. IMG probably got scared!  :))



Jam, even when I had less than 1M total power, I never really cared if I'm targeted or not. Not you, your corp, or anyone in the whole galaxy can stop me from growing stronger. Your post as a whole is useless and will not get you anywhere.  You could've also just sent me that message privately because (1) the WHOLE POST is not really relevant to the thread's topic and (2) it is only directed to me. Maybe you can properly moderate your own post, mighty moderator? :))

The messed up battle system is the reason why a person can not really be stopped from growing.  Something needs done with the timers and ships need to be able to be destroyed. Maybe just have a low chance of it. A chance that increases if you run safety override.  That would be pretty realistic and would make PVP better. As for the post not be relevent.  It kinda is.  It has to do with this whole situation here.

Ships need to be destroyed? That will never happen. LOL If it does happen, I would welcome it then because I could destroy 99% of all ships in the game. :)

People keep whining about how the game is messed up--why don't you all just deal with it? play another game maybe? Just because some have become has-beens, some are hell bent on changing the game. Why don't you all just develop your own games? Haha

Its good to know that you somehow see it as relevant. I can pretty much reply anything in any thread now.  :))

LOL you cant even destroy the few ships hanging out at Jupiter. Start with them before you start counting 99% of all ships. Anyway Sargas, IMG with its Galactic Corp laws have arrived to save the day and run of that no good scallywag pretender, Raphael. This may be a good place to set up a fuel station or 4 lol.

Raph with your mostly shield and marine style ships, your ships would be the ones mostly likely being destroyed.  It isn't like we don't locate you all the time doing COMs.  Just a lot of the time it is a wasted effort for PMI to go after COMs. Not to mention I have been busy at my new job.  I do sometimes hand over this info to Dadds though.  If it was possible to destroy ships you could be sure I would be doing just that when we locate your stuff and no amount of QP spent would be too great.

I set up a fuel station in the same place where another one was previously deployed.  You started an attack timer on it.

I will say this one time, so I hope you understand it:

I am not working with Rafe on anything!   The station was set up to not only bring in revenue, but also to see what other parties would do.  I found that the outlaw will leave it alone (and purchase fuel), but the ally will attack it.

It got your attention though haha. (i didnt set the counter btw, but we have already discussed that before i read this forum)

@Sargas: I understand your point and loved your station(even it was there only a few days)

Maybe I can buy your high quality fuel again after the war on jupiter :-)

The battle for Jupiter is to totally liberate SOL from one type of overbearing bully to a better trend of bully haha. Long story short, expect a fuel station or two set up here, its supply and funding and defence will be provided by IMG. Others are welcome to open up their own fuel station in tandem with ours, provided you can defend it of course against other elements. IMG installments will be defended and a permanent source of alternate fuel in the near future. Just need to de-louse the area a little before business is set up. The "bug-sprayer" is in position and set to exterminate all bugs

Everyone, let me just say this. The Syndicate doesn't care if GC gets disbanded or not: they are useless before so their disbandment won't change anything. Their rules are mostly to restrict players (not that they are any good at it, LOL), and are more like taking away a pilot's freedom rather than somehow assuring it. The Syndicate is also currently manufacturing 96 Adv Shields Mk CC for its war against the GC. We have set the tax corp at 0.01% for a week now so we can get an idea how much we really earn. As for corp ships, they are not assigned to members so Admiral Raphael can maximize their usage; but it's not like we don't help our members. We provide advanced modules and QPs for free to our members as well. The Syndicate is also willing to help new players outside the Syndicate by leaving them alone and offering quick solars/QP in exchange for some info. All in all, the Syndicate also doesn't really think anyone in the game can dictate what it should and shouldn't do. We're here to have fun, and we sure are having a good time!

And yes, as per our wise moderator JamJulLison, that statement can be considered relevant to the Sargas Oil Jupiter Station thread, so no worries! Come and post your own random thoughts even if it doesn't talk about stations and even if it's just meant for one pilot! :))

Actually Raph only the GC members are required to follow our charter.  Not people outside the GC. Though we would prefer it if others follow it, we don't require it.  We aren't trying to push anyone around.  We also try to help newer members.  The only people who are restricted some are GC members themselves and that is for the good of other players.  If it wasn't for the GC I probably would be routinely cleaning out Sol myself. You see the GC keeps us bigger players in check. Something which is needed.  Otherwise non-gc members could suffer.  Dads likely would have rampaged by now on any suspected pirate.  PMI likely would have continued some raiding in Sol and making life hell on everyone.  Life has improved for everyone outside the GC since we put these restrictions on ourselves.  So what do we gain from the GC since we restrict ourselves, friendship and trust among each other.  Maybe not a lot of trust there but we are working on that.  We also don't usually have to worry about one of us trying to blow up the other.  So it is kinda a double edged sword for us. I agreed to add you to the GC outlaw list because of your threats on Sol. You threatened that Sol would burn if we added you to the outlaw list.  That threat is why we had to agree to add you.   But think of this. You never liked the GC. But how do you think it would have been if the GC wasn't around? Dadds would have been all over you right away without restrictions.  PMI wouldn't have hunted you, but we still would have been hitting you at every turn anyways.   You would have had pressure on you that much sooner.  It could have been harder on you.   I am not saying the GC is perfect or that we don't got problems.  Cause we do.  We have a lot of issues to work out.  It might not even work out.  But if it doesn't it will things that much worse for everyone else outside of the GC.

Is this the reason IMG attacked my station at Jupiter?  For a fuel monopoly?

Please deploy your stations to the IMG planet (Saturn).

Jupiter is currently under a PMI protectorate.  

Please remove your stations as per our charter agreement.



(edit because -

As the mining boss of PMI, I will tell all y'all that a profit producing station (a station that is placed only for the purpose of buying and selling commodities) is to be considered the same as a mine or harvester.)

Sargas anyone who isn't an outlaw is really free to set up there if they want.  We withdrew from Jupiter giving up our right of ownership.  This isn't an monopoly.  They started a timer on you because they tend to be a bit paranoid. I don't approve of what was done.  But it is over now.

Oh, understood, JJ.

But, until I hear otherwise, I still believe that the attack was not paranoia, but an effort to establish a fuel monopoly and I was in their way.

It had to do with them thinking you were making deals with Raph. Which they know now that you aren't.  I doubt either really cares much about trying to sell fuel. Profits are low for that anyways compared to COMs. Still it wasn't right and it was exactly that reason I moved our big corp ship there. They wouldn't have had an easy time trying to destroy your station.  But what's done is done. Though I think an apology would be nice on their part.  I do understand why they thought what they did. Just starting a timer was a bit much.

if you read my post correctly, I said ALL are welcome to set up beside me. did Monopoly get redefined while i slept.
I have even asked JamJul if he could set up a joint operation at Jupiter to keep out the criminal element. He has his (very valid) reasons for rejecting my request to do so.

We didnt attack you station. We went in there pointing guns. Ever heard of a mexican standoff? I have stated often an inquisition is coming to town to hunt down criminal elements. Did you think we were coming in with our lawyers and a Councillor? haha. Current actions and activities that have been conducted lately in game and forums couldnt rule you out as a suspect. So by "getting the jump on you" lets everyone know we are pretty darn serious about having to come back to this cesspit to straighten out things, including pushing raphael back under his rock.

Jupiter was relinquished by PMI some time ago as being too hard to hold, or more to the point, not worth the expenditure and loss of income to hold it.

Its funny when Raphael set up 3 of his stations here you did not jump on the forums asking him to remove them under galactic law claim. I wonder why that is hmmmm?

Why would i even want to waste my time, resources and efforts owning the only other fuel store in Sol? There is no profit in it since pilots have no control over pricing. The fuel costs me as much to make as i can sell it for. More so, in fact, since the fuel needs to be transported in from outlying mining outposts and converted to a more usable energy source. The main reasons for me setting up a fuel station are
1. to help provide new players with a stable safe place to by alternate fuel at a 20% discount
2. in direct challenge to SSS claim to destroy any station set up in 0,0 (it saves me having to go looking for him if he is going to be here targeting me) and;
3. At Jupiter in particular because of the recent strategic deployments of assets by SSS

IMG will remain at Jupiter for as long as it takes to bring criminals to justice and to break up any alliances that are being made here in an attempt to disrupt the current GC alliance.

You can either be part of the solution, or part of the problem.

No use talking to IMG, guys. As long as something serves their interest, they will always come up with justifications--no matter how silly or dumb it sounds. :14:

Thats right Raphael. At the moment what serves my interest, and the rest of the community, is removing you from Sol, one planet at a time, so no one try to talk me out of that.
Did you get a little shock when you started an attack counter at Jupiter against Aysle? haha funniest thing i saw was you so outgunned as to be embarrassing mismatch against you.
We have your measure in every way raphael, and now my captain is back on the playing field, there is no place to hide but the safe zones for you.

Dadds "Gas 'n Go Co" will be opening soon and EoS is already open for business i believe. Soon there will be cheap, subsidized fuel for all struggling pilots.
Just waiting on some in game mods that hopefully will allow us to deny docking privileges to undesirable elements

Why not take the money from those persons?  :12:

well, business is picking up.  I wish to thank all of my customers and would like my customers (active and/or potential) that my mailing list (roster of customers) is classified and will not be divulged.

As far as being able to block certain captains or corporations:  It is not going to happen at any of the EoS stations.  
I don't care who my customers are if they are just buying fuel/medicine.

Sir
How cheap are your gas and grade? Also location and hour of operations.
Thank

The SOL pricing monopoly only allows me to sell fuel for $25 solari.

The Sargasian Empire is funding a Fuel Station in orbit of the planet Jupiter in Sol system

We are open 24/7 and look forward to working with you.

That good to know.  But how is the security? Just don't like the idea getting gas and get hijacked.  :2:

IMG is maintaining a force there.
EoS sweeps the system frequently.
NHC members should be safe, but we cannot know about any difficulty you might have unless you tell us.

btw, our fuel is pure and not composed of humanity.

Lisunken,

If you go to Jupiter to fuel, you are fairly safe and secure, so long as you dont linger there. We [IMG] are maintaining a fighting force there to remove undesirables, but those combat timers are long term battle. Also, under the GC ruling for which we are a signatory to, all pilots not classified as outlaw are free to operate inside the Sol system. We intend to create a safe haven for all pilots of a friendly nature to dock and use the resources available at Jupiter.
SSS have previously stated that they will not allow any GC fuel stations to operate out of 0,0 and will attack any ships docking there. Please report any incidents of such attempts to attack you to the GC via PM to myself or on the forums.

Well that good to knows.  We are small outfit. Can not afford lose any ships.
Get to pay our ship mortgage and our profit Margin is so low.

Lord's I should listen to my mother and go to be a banker.
With one or two corporate raids. I can buy a galaxy or too.

Sagas

Thank for high grade fuel. I see you station is well lite.  :wow: and heavy security forces are in place :gunsmilie: :gunsmilie:
You just win my business.  Get to go need make profits.  Now where my  sonic screw driver. Need to make adjustments to the fuel injector to high grade fuel mix.

Sargas has got the fuel, but you can thank me for the security lol

 :)) and people said you two can not get along.

We are just two old rams that love to butt heads and horns occasionally lol

it's usually fun...lol

butting heads with that sheepherder actually makes me think twice about this and that...

well there go my cheap high grade fuel. :4:

Oh, don't worry. I am coming back.  I'm just waiting on my first ship back in system...

I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!