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Followup on "Press Release From Emperor Jam-Jul Lison 1/29/2014"

Today's announcement is one reason that I quit PMI at the time.

So that everyones knows what is going on:

Could you please post here if you are attacked by Jam-Jul Lison (can you give your ranking at the same time).

Live long and proper to all the galaxy captains.

Captain Matamaure
Director of militia
Empire of Sargas

Isn't this the same 'cleansing' that JJL asked permission for in the GC chambers?

It didn't pass then and now he decides he dosn't need to obey GC rulings.

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The previous removing against inactives was for those within Sol and only there.  This is different. Everything outside of Sol. The Galaxy needs a huge clean up.  If novas were in place I wouldn't even worry about it cause it would take care of most of it. However since there is no novas, the junk needs cleared away. That is the primary purpose of this. That said I am not going to bother taking the time to try to figure out who is active and who isn't. That could take too long. I am sorry you don't approve of this Mata but I have discussed this with other people outside of my corp and they support my actions. That includes some who aren't even in the GC.  No one else in my corp is doing this.  I am not ordering or encouraging it. It is something I am doing myself.  I could have not given fair warning but I figured the nice thing to do would be to do that. So I let everyone on here know.  I was going to leave people I consider friends exempt from this but considering I am not even sure I can really even call a friend anymore, I might not.

A true pirate at heart.

Your actions will speak louder than your words.

Think what you want. If novas were already in place I wouldn't be bothering to do this at all.

Why exactually are you doing this  Do you need the planetary slots for yourself?  Are NPC COM's to hard for you?  Do you need to shoot someone that won't shoot back?  How did you get appointed to 'Galactic Janitor' anyway

 :))
+1 to Sargas for the "Galactic Janitor" quip. That was a good one.

But seriously guys, it's like a salvage mission. So what if he'd rather take some time being a scavenger. I mean shouldn't you guys be happy that he's trying to pick the low-hanging fruit instead of competing with you for the good stuff?

1. I appointed myself.

2. It needs done.

3. If gives me something to do when I am bored.

I hope you won't hold it against me Jam but uh... If you are doing it yourself then you obviously want it done and if you want it done badly enough to do it yourself then you are sort of encouraging it by default in my opinion lol. I don't have any strong opinion on the subject, partially because idk how much of a problem space junk really is for all of you but for me I don't even notice it. That part about not giving your friends the benefit of the doubt gives me some pause though. I can understand if that was directed at particular individuals whom I won't name in here because of recent events but uh... that one part does seem a bit piraty lol.

You get bored?

I guess that is as good a reason as any to engage in piracy.

Ummm sorry but you and I know, my friend, JamJul, that nova event will not effect out to the 1st circle anyway, unless you have more recent info than i am privvy to. 90% of all space junk resides in the 1st circle lol
How do i know this? As a galactic explorer, i have mapped 90% of all known space lol. I hate to play devils advocate in this matter, but you cant use lack of nova event as reason for clean up here.
Also, i do also point out you are under a galactic council 3 month probation for being "a bad boy". Do you think it is wise timing to now announce you will be blowing up other pilots stuff even though its outside Sol area? (remember, there was a consideration once to extend the protectorate out a ring at one stage) The other thing that bothers me with this is you cant be bothered to check if they are active or not first?
I see a rats whiskers twitching from inactivity, or starvation to "feed its needs" lol I think others are sensing this also. Better off petitioning Sir Emi to have a removal policy in place for constantly inactive pilots in their server management.
(Also remember, Aysle can be inactive for some time lately....i wonder if you would hit his locations lol)
I know we have discussed this sort of topic in private before, and i have never been fully comfy with its proposal. Not to mention the time and cost taken or lost to conduct the clean up. IMG has no official policy on conducting this type of clean up, though it can acknowledge that in some locations leftover modules can become a nuisance. Most of the top players know who are mostly active, and mostly inactive, by now. We can make that call on a "needs" basis, rather than an outright decree to sanitize the inner systems lol

Thanks again Dadds.

Your right. First ring needs it most.  If novas were in I might be considering just doing the first ring with this.  In our private talks you have never said that you disapproved of me doing this. But it is whatever.   I am doing what needs done. Besides this also allows me to locate more of raph's stuff.  As for messaging them if they are inactive.  I don't got the time for that.  With my new job I am working a lot more. Also during this even though inactives are the main targets, I am not going to bother sparing active players either. If they want their stuff saved they would be more active and check the forums.  If they did that then they would see they could get ahold of me and ask me if I can leave their stuff alone.  BTW not all inactive stuff is located in the first ring. Found a mine belonging to Goodperson in the outer ring my first day doing this.

Something I thought about doing was doing this without any sort of warning to other active players. But I figured the least I could do was warn them.

Will Jam-Jul Lison implement his galactic Cleansing, or will he have posted his announcement for nothing? The Syndicate watches..  :ninja:

It has already begun. Though the process is going slow because I am working a lot. So far in my search all I have run across was a mine belonging to Goodperson. It has of course been removed.

I thought the NAP with NHC/PMI(TGE) was still in effect.

You obviously didn't read my last announcement very well. In the same one I announced the cleansing I also announced I was ending our NAP with them and why I was.  I even tore up the contract.

yes, you did.  I apologize for forgetting that.  I guess I was tired or something (drunk?...over medicated?)

What about Senile?  lol just kidding.  Mistakes like that happen.

So what happens if a pilot outside the GC chooses to join your Cleansing and attacks GC members? Will he be declared an outlaw or will he be an exception? A rampaging pilot can just say, "Hey, I'm just following Jam's footsteps!" :))

This cleansing ain't a regular thing that will be done.  It is being done cause it needs to be done. Anyone who follows in my foot steps should do so with caution. They could get in over their head.

Well, considering that you won't even bother checking whether they are still active or not seems more like piracy to me. It will also give pirates an excuse to attack anyone under the pretense of this Cleansing.  :)

Piracy is the act of stealing and then trying to make a profit off stuff.  I am not trying to make a profit at all. Most of what I get will end up being used for fuel to cover the cost of this cleansing. This isn't a cheap thing to do. The reason I am not messaging them to ask if cause that would make a long process even longer.

I also do not think that this action fits the discription of piracy (as there was no profit).

Instead, it's an act of terror being performed by the self-proclamed 'best Pirate the game has ever seen'.

I am calling this an act of terrorism.




(edit - spelling, again)

You really do need to look up the definition of terrorism.  From webster's online dictionary.




I am not doing this to spread fear.  I am not doing this for any political reasons at all.  It is mostly being done to get rid of inactives modules/stations.  As for not checking to see if they are active.  1. It is time consuming to search everything in every single system.  2. My time online is limited these days because of my new job. 

I did make an announcement here on the forums which I didn't have to do. That way people can know to contact me so I won't hit their stuff.  Though the sad thing is many people in the game don't even check the forums which is a shame.

Then here's one scenario: a newbie, who no one knows, sets up a mine in the second ring. Since Jam can't be bothered in checking if that newbie is active, he proceeds in destroying the newbie's mines. Newbie logs in, feels he's being bullied, and might then quit the game.  :))

Anyway, I wish the galaxy good luck since the GC seems to condone this. Good job, GC. Hahaha

I am not going to deny that possibility. Though chances are if he is a newbie he won't be setting up in the 2nd ring. If he is one that is smart enough to do that then he might not just quit right off the bat from it.  He might become stubborn and press on.

The action has not been condoned by the GC. In fact i am outspoken against it. However it is not in any galactic charter law to deny what JamJul is proposing, providing it doesnt happen at Sol.
Here is a scenario i like though: Jamjul finds more and more of Raphael outposts and removes their threat from the game.
New players can be spotted by their larger member #number than established player. I would at least hope Jam-Jul would look upon this number as a factor before striking at them.

Dadds: "In fact i am outspoken against it."

I share your view on that.

Dadds: "it is not in any galactic charter law to deny what JamJul is proposing,"

I would like to change the charter to ban piracy  for GC members. It would be in the spirit of the GC. If ever EoS become a member of the GC, I will advocate for it.

Agreed on that. I have always been an advocate of anti-piracy. The GC was a step in that direction to subdue it somewhat with a major player ( at that time) of piracy. At the time we couldnt implement this because one of the major members still advocated piracy, and in fact still does not outlaw it. Diplomacy in this area is slow i am afraid with respects to "piracy" and "freedom". Raphael himself is at odds and war with us as he sees the limitations against piracy to be "in breach of his freedoms and liberties" to do as he chooses in the game.
I guess if we were all of the same mind-set, it would make for a very boring social media game lol

The EoS does not condone this act.

The EoS cautions JJL to pay close attention to any possible consequence regarding his present jingoistic behavior.

The EoS should remember we have a NAP before implying possible threats towards us.   As for dangers from other players. i am aware there might be those who might come after me for revenge.

JJ, yes my friend, I am aware of our NAP.  Neither I nor EoS is a threat to you, please try to curtail your paranoia.

I was just saying that I do not condone what you are doing.  I am sorry if what I wrote seemed threatening.  I did not mean it so.  What I wanted to say was there may well be repercusions from a myriad of other sources.

Other sources sure. Like those who want revenge hits.  Those are fair enough but you can't blame me for being suspicious when it was one of your guys that first brought up this whole discussion about my announcement anyways.  Interesting it is called Jam-Jul Lison vendetta too considering I don't got a vendetta against anyone really.  So it makes me wonder if someone has one against me.

Jam-Jul Lison: "So it makes me wonder if someone has one against me."

JJL, I have nothing against you, the player, and like I say to everyone, you are free to play the game the way you want.

But I disagree with some of your actions like attacking small players. I will continue to denounce those actions. When I was in PMI, I tried to demonstrate to you that it did not pay to do so. But you continued to do so.

This isn't about going after small players.  It isn't about profit.  It is a clean up effort.  As you already know for profit I do COMs.  Yes there isn't anyone forcing me to do a clean up effort, but it is something I want to do.  I am so sick of seeing left over inactive modules all over the galaxy.

Jam I think you going the wrong way about it. I has slow remove my corp inactive member modules myself. As a corp leader or 2IC should able see who has not active. It there duty to e-mail the member and remind the issue. After time pass 15, 30 days start the removal. For you just start cleaning without notice the player can be problematic. Not all player read the forums and understand your reason or action.

 

This coming from a "corp" that doesn't do this themselves. Just look at all of Morb's and Goodperson's stuff that is around. Some of which i have already removed.  From my understanding ITO has also removed some of Goodperson's stuff they found.  Considering how long they have been inactive, you guys prove my point that many "Corps" can't even manage their own guys.  As for the actives who may get hit, they have had fair warning. It isn't my fault if they are too stupid to not look at the forum. Any smart players knows to always check out a game's forum for information on the game. At the very least to see what tips and guides might be better.  There is no reason they can't come across my post as well if they were to bother to check the forums.

Thanks for ratting us out Jam  :))

Goodperson has been inactive for over a month, we found 3 stations he had, destroyed them and made a few labs with the materials. I don't think there's anything wrong with that so long as we know he's been inactive for some time.

I think maybe the issue here  is one of patience. Some are upset that Jam is so impatient he may not give adequate notice etc. to make sure a player is inactive and is obsessive compulsive about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_junk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_junk).

..... here's another scenario

.. for every one of mine you take out you lose ten of yours.

.. promise.

It's interesting to know that ITO is involved in this.  :)

1.  I don't really have any mines.

2. Considering I have you on my friends list I can see you are active so you are not likely to be hit. Though you could have just messaged me requesting I not hit you.

They aren't really doing the Cleansing. Mostly I think getting some left overs from inactive guys for themselves.  I can't blame them. No sense in letting that stuff go to waste.

.. Yes, I  am on your friends list, but many are not. .. Point I was trying to make is that if you don't check for activity you could start the snowball rolling.

Jam . Remove inactive player module is not a issues to me since no Super nova is installed.   My main point is removing player module without do noticed is wrong.  I has send out notice my inactive members in 10 to 15 days is demolition time if no reply.  For the older player they has cash to replace modules but new player may not has the cash a hand. ( are you paying for damage $$$$ ) :sweat

If you wish to do the cleaning as you say. Go for it but don't hurt the new player. Remember how hard to start in the beginning.

You do realize how long it takes to search the galaxy right? Especially when when busy working a lot?  Somehow I doubt it since doing so is a big task.  This would take forever to do and likely wouldn't ever get finished if I sent out notices and waited. Especially that long.   As for hurting the new player, I am not going to even try try to look to see if they are old or new. Simple because both are guilty of leaving crap around after quitting. Considering I haven't gotten close to the 1st ring yet in my first though the newbies likely have quite a while to get on the forums and see my announcement before I get to them.

^This. He was inactive and when we found it so I didn't see any reason not to have at it and test our combat vessels. It's not part of any systematic thing like Jam is doing.

Well then, I think I will also join ITO and TGE to prove my point that this way of cleansing isn't good for the galaxy. You guys can expect all stations of NHC (except lisunken and tet coz they are somewhat active in the forum) to be blown up, and that of others as well. Like them, I can't be bothered to check if they are active or not. If the GC has again proven themselves useless by not doing something against this, then the Syndicate will step up in their stead!   :gun_bandana:

And, oh, for the record: ITO and TGE started it all.  :)

NHC losses don't bother me. They aren't part of the GC anymore.  Though it seems like your purpose in doing this is just to prove a point.  Mine is to just help clean up the galaxy.  I have already had several people contact me letting me know they are active.

Raph, you equate your setting about a mission to hunt inactive enemies to Jam's mission to get rid of clutter, and our peripherally spotting some inactive player stations in our rounds and taking them down for the spoils.

They are three different things. I somehow doubt you are so thick as to not grasp this. Do whatever you're going to do but for crying out loud don't equate apples to oranges. Comparing them is bad enough.

Joolz, I don't care why you guys do it or what made you do it. My concern is the likely effect of those actions; the effect that both of your actions have in common: newbies that got hit will likely quit. Probably doesn't even have to be a newbie. Players sometimes get caught up with RL and don't log in for days or weeks, but it doesn't mean that they don't like the game anymore or that they quit. But if they log in and realize that their property was destroyed, that gives them a reason not to come back. You do realize that the game as of now needs all the players it can get, right? Can you grasp my point, Joolz?

What's ITO's official response to this Cleansing anyway? Seems like you are supporting Jam's actions.

I personally dont agree with a total cleansing of the galaxy with out notification to the said player about to be wiped, however I dont see anything wrong with hitting inactive old school players. Just my personally opinion and not ITO's.

You claim to be concerned about the actions yet you say you will do the same thing.  You also act like you care about the newbies.  Yet you went against the GC early on. Not only raiding and destroying stuff, but firmly trying to wage war against IMG before you were ever declared an outlaw. The GC was designed to help newer members and that is what we try to do.  Hell I still try to help them.  But it isn't doing anyone any good to have loads of inactive stuff just laying around.  I do understand some may quit over this.  Some newbies may become discouraged if hit.  Some semi-active people may return to find stuff destroyed and quit for good.  In my opinion Semi-Active players shouldn't be around in the first place if they are going to quit over something like this.  I have played games where I was unable to get on for a while and when I came back found I had been raided to hell and lost a lot of stuff.  But did I quit over it? Nope.  I worked hard to rebuild my stuff and become even stronger.   A good player who actually wants to play the game won't let something like that get them down.  As for new players, sooner or later they will be faced with someone attacking them.  Dadds himself almost quit in the beginning because of someone wiping out all his stuff. But him and several others decided to push on, form their own corp and become stronger. That decision was made shortly before our war with them began.  During that time they became even stronger.  Those that give up over something like this are likely to end up quitting eventually anyways.  The game needs more active players who are actually going to stick around instead of quitting because something doesn't go their way.

I'm just waiting for ITO's official response to this Cleansing. Then I will decide who to target.  :gun_bandana:

I only went after the GC after IMG started acting all-powerful and self-righteous, and then started threatening me (even when I was a newbie) for raiding mines OUTSIDE of Sol. You guys probably thought that you could stop me, and that I was just like any other player who would cower after being threatened. It's obvious now that you bit off more than you can chew.  :))

Why dont we all have alittle race, last one to 21,21 buys a round of beer. :P

Of course you don't care why we attacked a single inactive player, you just want to equate it with another player's(Jam's) entirely different, targeted, deliberate, systematic actions. I don't care why you ignore the facts and conflate the two to justify your own- it's still absurd.

As ITO's leader, I'm personally fairly indifferent towards Jam's mission either way and as a corp we each have our own opinions which I am open to in forming our policies. Our own 'policy' is to not start trouble, and I would say that attacking an inactive player should not be regarded as starting trouble.

Whether or not it's nice, necessary, runs off people that aren't active etc. is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is it's his choice how he plays the game and thus if he want's to go for easy, inactive targets for whatever reason it's really none of my business or by extension, that of ITO as we are not his boss/policymakers at TGE.

The same goes for  you, Raph. I'm not going to tell you not to  be a pirate. It's not my business. If you  make things difficult or become a nuissance then it might be my business to ask you to not  be a jerk etc. But other than that, what you do is not my concern, and neither is what Jam does.

Do I think maybe it would be nice for him to at least shoot off a PM to each player saying "I'm going after inactive players which you appear to be, sorry for your loss, it's nothing personal."? Yeah that would be nice of him, but it's his choice. I'm not going to tell him what to do or criticize him for doing what he does because it's soley his business if he would rather not waste time doing that. Now if it becomes a nuissance to ITO or newbs etc., then I might jump in and say  "Hey Jam, you mind not making things difficult for...." but as yet I'm not aware of these actions really being a problem for anyone but you Raph, and only because it gives you an excuse to be  adversarial.

As far as scaring off newbs goes I agree with Jam- if you're going to quit because you walked away and subsequently got hosed, then that's your problem. When a boxer walks off, he forfeits the match. It's not anybody else's fault, no matter who intimidated him, beat him previously, stole his lucky shorts etc. When you start playing a game like this you should expect inactivity to be rewarded with a good thrashing. If you are the kind of sore loser that runs off like a little girl then you probably will just take the fun out of it for the rest of us and so I say good riddance to such flakes, quitters, losers, and wanna-be captains.

Furthermore, Goodperson has over 8mil power which is more than all of ITO, so my actions should have absolutely ZERO effect on newbs and any attempt to paint it otherwise is laughable in my opinion.

The thing is though if you had a personal issue with IMG you could have filed a claim with the GC.   Just like when he was wanting to add you to the KOS list. Instead of threatening to cause sol to burn if we added you to our outlaw list, you could have simply requested to keep this between you and IMG.  It was your threat to Sol that prompted us to agree to adding you to the outlaw list.  We would have been more then happy to let you keep it between you guys.  You automatically assumed we were all like Dadds.  Most of us can be very reasonable. Even Dadds can be to a certain extent. You just went about everything the wrong way.   As for my little cleansing here. Your just wanting to use this to try to stir up more trouble. 

@Raphael:
I threatened you to stop hitting my new member players and those players we were currently in the process of recruiting into our corp. What, its wrong and incorrect to defend your junior members in your corp? Oh, that's right, you wouldnt know about junior members since YOU DONT HAVE ANY to defend haha. Your response was you will do as you darn well please and i cant stop you.
I told you continuing your rampaging ways and having players complaining to me about your attacks was going to get you outlawed.....hey, guess what, it happened!
And now you join the ranks of "the cleansing" because someone else says they are going to do it? Feel you will miss out on the kill? You attack JamJul for proposing and conducting it, then you condone it by doing just the same thing. Lets all sing along now H-Y-P-O-C-R-A-S-Y is Raphael's main stance in this game.
.....And biting of undesirable tasting fodder IS a little too much for me to stomach at times, but chewing you up and spitting you out works ok for us.

ITO isn't supporting Jam's cleansing, so Jam is officially doing this on his own without anyone's support. And the GC isn't doing something about it. Just wanted to make that clear. Haha

What a waste of everyone's time.  :))

They likely aren't stepping in because I am not doing this for the sake of destruction or trying for profit. It is being done to try to help out the galaxy some.  Of course there are some possible negative side effects from this, but overall it is a good thing.  I haven't really been too active with it lately as it is because I have been working a lot.  I also have a small list of people who have contacted me letting me know they are active. Those people won't be hit. Just like those I see on my friend's list who are active and not in the GC won't be hit.   I don't consider this a GC matter so I don't ask the GC for support.  I don't consider this a corp matter either so I am not dragging TGE members into this.  If anyone does decide they want revenge on me, they are welcome to come after me.

The Galactic Charter allows for anyone thought to be a victim of a crime to step forward in the non-member request sections of this forum in child boards to make a request or resolution to stop an act or for recompense. Until such a time as this happens, then as far as the GC is concerned, there has been no crime or serious action to deal with.
Which is why we ended up at war with you, Raphael. Because several pilots made complaint about you hitting them multiple times. That is how it works. The only waste of time here is constantly trying to explain stuff to you. Try listening for a bit

Oh boy. golly, those are purty words.   They not only look good on paper, but they ring with joy in your ears.

But, do they mean anything?  Show us how (or if) the first request (http://forum.astro-galaxy.com/index.php/topic,8631.60.html) was resolved.

You should know how it was resloved Sargas since it was your file (and btw, it is FAR from case #1 as you refer) but let me recount.
I seem to recall you calling for help, on two separate but intertwined issues, and both have been resolved to your satisfaction. Your words. That is demonstration enough of what we aim to do here and are capable of. Peaceful & mutually agreeable terms of recompense. Thank you for taking the time to point your case out to all yet again.

The internal matter between council members is just that, internal. How we deal with our own is of no concern to others, since we are self-governing organisation, and there will always be critique from outside pilots who understand nothing or very little about what we are about, but choose to add negative comment anyway.
Should the council choose to make public its "dirty laundry" then that will be a matter for them to decide upon, not from the chipping away at a player who seems persistent in bringing down either the GC and its actions, or my comments in particular with regard to its actions.

why is it that you say you will chastize a miscreant, but you keep any penalty or sanction un-published and secret.

Are there really any sanctions, or is it more a 'slap-on-the-wrist',  :nono: , non-punishing punishment.

Are your words just made of paper, or is there iron in them?

<IMG have no need to dignify this comment with a response....out>

Please let that be read as pure and simple rantings.

Nothing malicious was intended.