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why do you still have posting powers in the GC area when I do not.

MESSAGE SIREMI AND DELETE YOUR FREAKING POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(and again the yelling is intended).

Or at the very least, keep your bloody mouth shut.

Why did you feel the need to post about this twice about this. I saw your other thread and I haven't said a word in the council chambers today.

have you already forgotten this posting of yours? 


Re: The closure of the GC

« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2014, 04:19:52 AM »




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Also since you seem to be addressing all pilots in the game you should prob post in an area the rest of the people can see this.  Only those who were GC can see it in this paticular area. If you notice you do have some gc status right here.

DELETE YOUR BLOODY POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes and that was prior to me going to bed.  I consider that more so still the day before.  Not today. I have kept quiet until now in this area haven't I?  Besides you are not GC. You have no right to demand I stay out of any area.  That is the GC's problem.  I also had a good point in that message.  Besides the GC seems pretty defunct these days. Not really sure this area is even going to have a use anymore.

...sigh...

actually, this is the only GC forum that I am able to say anything.

You need to give yourself that same disability!

You are no longer a member of the GC, please stop acting as if you are.,

GET YOUR POWERS DELETED (like you freaking did to mine)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If it makes you feel any better Sargas, I was supposed to get GC powers but never got them. Dadds originally recommended that I get to be a GC rep and ITO stay on the council.

His resignation should actually leave me running it lol. But I would have a lot of work to do to restore it at this point. Still I kinda wanna just to stick it to Dadds and Raph lol.

No, you are the leader of ITO!  By the charter, you have a voice in the Galactic Council Chambers, you just have to declare yourself (or another corp. member)as the voting rep (declare it here, it will be honored.).

JJL (PMI>>>oops...TGE)has left.

When Dadds (IMG) leaves,  it's up to you as the only remaining corporation in the GC. 

The Galactic Council will not be deleted as long as there are signatories (sic) who are active.

I messaged Emi about that quite a few times and he just ignored the messages.   Since he seems to be ignoring GC related PMs now it seems pointless to message him now on having my power removed and yours added now.  If you were to ever start the GC back up I would advise you to do it on a forum of your own so you don't have to go to SirEmi over issues like this.




A council needs more then just 1 member for it to be a council. The GC is defunct now at this time and it likely will remain so unless more members end up joining the council. 

How are you going to honor it Sargas? you are not a person who can have a say so on who is rep or not in the forums. There is only 1 person who has that authority, and its the owner of the boards.
I have messaged Sir Emi regarding these threads and the forum in particular outlying why they should be closed for business.
The GC was my brain-child which started out as a post-war negotiation and truce between PMI and IMG. NHC was included as a third party neutral seat of power as well as being one of the top corps of the time when the GC was formed.
When i look at the list of current moderators, i find that not one person on that list is active or interested in pursuing the treaty. When i look further down the list, low and behold, I am the only active member with official member status that hasnt quit the game or the position. That would make me the ranking person here, wouldnt you say?
Any talk by ITO about hi-jacking the forums here just wont be happening. If you want to have your own forums, ITO, then go form your own set of accords and forum boards. The GC was never your creation and never will be.

Your brain child? Hardly.  The ones who wrote out the charter itself was aysle and myself.  Yes he brought the idea to me which you might have thought up. But it wasn't really of your creation. We worked hard to set it up.  Do you know why PMI and NHC even agreed to consider writing it up in the first place?  It was because we saw and realized that you have a taste for war and knew you might just go nuts after anyone who did or said the wrong thing against you.  So we decided The GC would be a great way to keep IMG and any other corp that joined in check. That was the primary reason we agreed to it.  My secondary reason for going with the idea was to try to help new members though. However the council seemed to have issues even working issues out among themselves, let alone passing motions that could have helped newer players.  There were several times in the past when IMG threatened to break away from the GC but I worked to try to keep you guys in it. Your a hotheaded guy Dadds.  I really should have seen all this coming when I decided to leave the GC.  But honestly I felt the GC wasn't really doing much to help with it's secondary function and I figured that perhaps you might now care enough about the GC to try to make it work.  I also thought we had become friends.  I didn't think you would blow up over me giving my honest opinion on your corp. Your wasn't the only corp I addressed and yet you blew up more then any of the others.  Not only that but ITO's leader decided to post how he could see if from my point of view.  So you get mad and decide to go after him. Of course naturally as soon as Sargas says something you don't like you go after him.  Though we both know you have been looking for a reason to go after EoS for a while now.  But you did surprise me with how your treating ITO.


So what can be learned from all this?  For one thing Dadds and IMG represent a threat much larger then Raph ever did.  As hotheaded as he is and how destructive as he can be, he is no where near as far gone as you seem to be now.  I think people will see now why some of us thought the larger corps needed to be kept in check. Of course I am sure Raph is really loving this since this is what he has wanted all along.  So congrads Dadds on giving Raph just the victory that he wanted.  I hope you are proud of yourself.   Are you sure you are from Australia?  Cause most people I have known from there were more tolerant of free speech.  Wanting to blow someone up over a matter of opinion sounds more like something someone from a communist country would want to do.  I never said my words were the true.  I just expressed how it looked from my point of view.  You could have simply explained exactly how I was wrong.  But instead of that you decide it would be easier to just get mad and go to war.  I was never trying to disrespect your corp. If I had been trying to do that I would have just said that IMG is a dieing corp in which only a fool would stick around and be active in.  But I didn't.  I didn't see it that way.  I saw some hope for your corp because of you.  However on the path your heading on now you may have just sealed your corp's fate.   Honestly who wants to be in a corp where the leader has made an enemy out of pretty much every other active player?   Hell that is likely one of the reasons SSS hasn't had a lot of applicants.  It isn't like we had to be enemies either.  You decided this. Not us.  We never wanted to go to war with you.  I wanted to be your friend.

amen

I will pass the public-enemy-no-1 crown to you, Dadds. Thanks for being hotheaded and childish. :))

As the sole surviving leader of a GC corp and self-appointed representative and default interim Galactic Council director, I hereby officially transfer the title of "Public Enemy no. 1" to Dadds who has unceremoniously left the GC and in doing so forfeited all ties, claims, and benefits granted a Galactic Council member, leader, or founder.

Until such time as SirEmi decides to grant me access to the GC forum, I will open discussion and registration on the ITO corp forum for the possible reformation of the somewhat defunct Galactic Council.

We may draw up a new charter and accept signatories/requests to be on the new council should we decide to proceed. Be advised that one of my captains runs the ITO forum so if he's not on until tomorrow you  will have to wait for registration to be approved.

http://ito.freeforums.net/ (http://ito.freeforums.net/)

Dadds: Simply because you founded it doesn't mean you own it. It's a council. It's only dissolved if we ALL walk away. ITO is still technically on it and seeing as we didn't vote to disband it, it's leadership falls to me when you leave. Yes, it's fairly meaningless with just ITO but maybe without you dragging it down I can re-form the GC with new members and a new charter.

See, there you are again JamJul. You cant open your mouth without throwing insult and slur at someone, can you? Once again you show your total ignorance of everything including Australia, Australians and its culture, both as a free democracy and as a fighting Nation. We have been fighting every one else's war now since we were founded and handing it to them on every field of battle. So dont dare try to tell me how it is to be an Australian. If you got of your armchair once in a while and actually traveled out of the tiny world you live in, (being in your mind), you may learn that it is VERY unwise to pick a fight with an Aussie, because we never back away from a fight. I thought you would have learned that the first time YOU chose to take on my corporation because one of my members, before joining us, got upset with YOUR treatment of him and swore at you. So tell me, because someone cussed you out is a better reason for going to war than to cause a war by criticizing my  corp, and its leader and the GC alliance (which btw WAS my concept and the paper it was written on before it even got to submission for anybody else's review panel.); and now you question my culture.
If your freedom of speech includes (but not limited to) Slander, bias, slur, racial or cultural prejudice, judgement where that person isnt a fit or qualified person to cast judgement, then yes, WE Australians are NOT tolerant of your type of free speech. Before you once again want to get all "high and mighty" with your right to opinion and freedom of expression, I asked you privately as a friend would, to recant your opinions of my corp because you are not a fit and qualified person to know the inner workings of what is happening with my corp (and friends). Instead, you chose to take on more rhetoric and argue the point with me about why you are allowed to express something which i find personally offensive and inaccurate. "Everyone has a right to an opinion, but expect that if that opinion is expressed and found offensive, some bloody noses are coming your way"
I will get to the "critique" of the rest of the motley crew who chose to weigh in on the side of an opinion, but for now I leave you with some very poignant quotes by people much wiser and profound than a bunch of adolescent men arguing over a fictitious organisation's existence.

and other personal favourite of mine in context;

The thing is you are acting more like a communist then someone who supports free speech.  I never ment it as slander post.  It was never ment to insult.  i was stating my opinion.  I can understand you not liking it but rather then act civil about it you go up in arms.  You did not ask me as a friend to remove it. You more or less said take it down or else I will attack you.  In case you forgot here was your exact words in the first request.



That there hints if I don't take it down you will attack us.  Then I replied with this message.




Now you could have easily argued against me there about why you are not in a slump but you didn't.  Instead you replied with the following.




In this the same threat is implied only more seriously.  So I replied back to that.






I could keep going on but there is little point. It all goes the same way.  If you had actually asked me rather then threatened me to take it down, I might have actually considered retracting it or at least editing it some. But you didn't. You outright threatened me to take it down.  This is more so the kind of behavior I would expect from a communist then I would someone who believe in free speech.  You had to know I would see the threats in the message and you had to know that I wouldn't just back down cause you made them.  I am not going to change something just because someone threatens me.  Rather then try to handle this like a civilized person you decided you just wanted to jump into battle. You call Raph power crazy. Well maybe he is. I don't know. But you are clearly war crazy. The moment someone expresses an opinion you don't like you are ready to jump down their throats. You have done it like crazy to Sargas.  You did it to JoolzVern who goes by TheCommander now in the game.  You did it with me.   Who else will be next in your war path just cause you don't like what they have to say?   Neither Joolz nor myself were trying to insult you or IMG.  Fact is I had to be honest and access all the top corps in my review.  It wouldn't be fair to just name a few in that discussion and then leave out others.  Here are my exact words I said too.



It wasn't meant as an insult.  It was a fair assessment. At that time you only had 3 members.  Jake hadn't got back yet.  But even with him it still looks to be in a bit of a slump.  A good leader would realize that and work to get out of that. Not get mad over it just cause someone calls you on it.  You yourself have said that corps with hardly any active members at all barely count as a corp to you in the past.  Hell you have said it about NHC. Which I can't even help but agree with you.  The difference is they got a few rag tag active members but no real leadership while IMG still has it's leader.  IMG can regrow. But not if it makes itself an enemy of pretty much every player in the game.  Look at how many corps you have declared war on in the next few days. 3 corps. That means 4 (if you count SSS) in total.  How many people really want to join a corp with so many enemies. Especially when that corp's leader started it all.


You can't even compare this to the Raz situation.  The Raz situation started as one thing.  He cussed me out and declared war on me and my corp. It was a declaration of war on us by him before joining you.  This earned him a KOS by me personally. Which I notified you of.  Then you guys got all worked up over it saying you would protect him despite his previous actions.  Now on your side I see where you were coming from.  But imagine this.  Imagine if another corp had taken in Raph and said his past no longer matters and you are not to attack him or else it means having to face all of them.   It is really no different other then him being a lot higher in power.   You wouldn't have stood for it and would have taken the same actions we did back then against raz.  Hell I even tried to keep things civil at first back then.  Even an offer to keep it 1 vs 1 with me and raz was made. But you didn't accept that.   Arguments went back and forth. People kept getting riled up and it reached a point where it was pointless to keep arguing.  So the war began.   Yes we declared that war.  But even if we hadn't, you guys would have before long if the arguing had continued or we continued to pursue raz.  The funny thing is the only thing I wanted out of that whole thing that could have prevented any fighting at all was an apology for cussing me out and him to rescind that declaration of war on us.  In reality he started the war first and just drug you guys into it.   The war didn't go how either of us expected it either.  Neither side really made many good hits.  Both had problems finding each other.  It eventually reached a point where nothing was happening.  We weren't mad anymore and just wanted this pointless crap to just end.  So I offered the ceasefire and suggested we work out a NAP.


Now I get this feeling this war isn't going to be much different. From what we have seen from hunting raph, neither side really can do any real damage to the other.  Especially when it comes to ship vs ship stuff.  There just aren't really any losses that makes it a big loss.  Just a minor hindrance.  There is one difference this time though.  We all have much larger engines, firepower, will have to spend a lot more QP for attacks and some of us have a much larger list of connections to help them locate some.  Raph already knows about your spy.  He has for sometime now.  No it wasn't me that spilled the beans. Though I did tell him after you declared war on us.  He admitted to having known for some time now.  My guess is he has been playing a bit with your spy. lol.  Something you will learn about me.  I am a nice guy but when it comes to war, I am not to picky who I share my info with and who I get my info from as long as they are known enemies of someone who has declared war on us.   Have you heard the expression "The enemy of my enemy is a friend."   I may not trust all the people you have made enemies of.  But that doesn't mean I won't consort with them if it suits our needs.  I am sure the others feel the same way.  It is kinda funny though.  Before you went war crazy I was still persueing Raph like I had been.  Now though I have been forced to call a ceasefire to deal with you and IMG. You know what this means right?  The only one going after Raph now is you.  Slowing down his growth doesn't seem likely now.  It was a slim hope before but now it is really hard to say.  Also now you have to look over your shoulders wondering who else is ready to come after you.  Yes you got strong ships. But my aim isn't victory over you in ship vs ship battles.  My primary objective in my time I have off work now will be finding things that are a bit harder to replace.  I have a lot of eyes and ears to help me do such that.   I never wanted this war.  I wanted to be friends.  But you have forced my hand.  So let us end this pointless discussion and settle this on the battlefield. Though I get the feeling it is a war that will never end.  Well unless you decide to quit first.

So many words JJL, as I see it, you can write faster than I can think :19:

yeah such a dialog, and such an admission of guilt. The fact he is trading information with an outlaw is one.
JamJul wants to win or sacrifice everything, including honour.
Everything i read there just proves my point....thankyou for taking the time to re-iterate everything i am about in the game and in real life. Honour.
That you choose to post PM's between me and you on the forum is against AG rules...seems you forget all the rules JamJul. If or when i feel the need to report that will be now up to me.
As you point out, if i am at war with 1 corp, or 4, it doesnt really matter, since nobody can do any "real" harm....so it doesnt matter how many criminals i declare as targets, really.
The top three corps dont scare or bother me in a fight. Why should any others? Those who choose to weigh in and side with your opinion, in my opinion, are making very silly decisions to do so.
That is freedom of speech i guess. It doesnt change my stance. I stand on my moral grounds. Come and try to move them, if you dare.
Oh, and again.....geee there is that slur and slander again, not to mention political prejudice. I will give you only 1 piece of advice, JamJul. Go sign up to "uncle sam" and get an idea on what is going on in the real world before forming any other prejudices. So far all i see is an armchair "no it all" speaking from an overly irritated and swollen rectum.

OK now as i promised, onto "the rest"
ITO you are out of line in making any comments about my corp, full stop. Its now why you are considered an outlaw by IMG.
Right. so you dont acknowledge intellectual property where you hail from? Because someone invented something, he doesnt own it? LOL i recommend you recheck whatever laws are relevant there.
You choose to make action and decision in an alliance where there are no allies? LOL It seems both you and JamJul are confused what an alliance is vs a corporation. No doubt you have all been whispering in each others ears. I can spot the sudden decline of IQ points as a result. Take note people, i didnt QUIT the GC as JamJul did. I dissolved it as is my right of call. I am still owner of the GC concept, since every other founding member gave up on it.
Sure give me the crown as public enemy no 1, because the public is the one corrupt and unlawful. I will happily wear that honour. Honour, a word you guys dont understand.
ITO,You are considered as an attempted hijacker of my charter and intel trader to our enemy of IMG information and that holds as the same position as a pirate or thief.

Sargas, of EOS....where are you with your law books? hmmmm seems they only come out when it suits you hey. Bravo'ing a comment from JamJul hours after telling him he has no say here just says one thing, which i have been calling you since the year:dot: HYPOCRITE.
I leave you with yet another few fun quotes, not by me but by someone wise, like me.


;and a final one, another favourite of mine;
There is a new combat system coming out in 19 days, I hope you are all ready for it. I am. Prepare to die those who choose to cross me!

A COUNCIL isn't 'property' of ANY sort. Putting a group together doesn't give you any intellectual property. It's not a book or play, it's a council. Perhaps you just need a dictionary or some basic vocabulary lessons as you seem to confuse honor with blind loyalty, and the council as property rather than an bureaucratic entity. Simply drawing up it's charter doesn't mean you own the charter, or club. The charter belongs to the GC which ITO is the only member of for now and as director of the GC, I have the right to keep, modify, or otherwise re-design the charter and any other GC policies etc.

You haven't authority to dissolve the council, only to dissolve your own ties to it which you have, leaving me as the sole council-member, free to accept new corps into the council to re-form it. So yes, you quit just as Jam did. Make-believe all you want that you can dissolve it away, but I am still here and I will revive it if I so choose and you have absolutely zero say or authority on that matter as you forfeited it when you split.

You declared war for no reason other than an opinion you want censored. You know nothing of the concept of honor. He was no longer in the GC so he has no obligations in regards to outlaws but was still personally at war with Raph. But when you declared war in a childish tantrum a truce was formed. Enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.

That's what happens in war, Dadds. In declaring war on multiple targets you have united them- something that hadn't occurred previously outside of your paranoid accusations.

"the charter" is my concept and my charter. Question that with Sir Emi if you feel you want to usurp its ownership.
The real truth stands obvious when i make a call, that all of you yellow, gutless pilots make a pact with an outlaw straight up. I know that pact has been there for some time, in the shadows. Now that you declare a siding of a declared GC criminal, as i expected you would, you have lost, as JamJul did, the values of the GC.
He (Raphael) wont and cant protect you, and you know what else? He wont be bothered to protect you lol.
He couldnt care less if you live or die, as he has his hands full dealing with his own interests.
As i said earlier, you picked the wrong side of the argument to get on, and it is by that amateur decision, you will be dealt with accordingly
Again, you do not or have never seen, a resignation of the IMG to quit the GC. I am its holder and by my request, all member options were removed. You, however, are not even recognised in the charter. You are all a bit mind-befuddled over what it means to dissolve an alliance charter. The GC is dissolved, how hard is that to consider?

sinced you asked so nicely, Dadds, I will bring out the 'law books'.

The arguement you make for ownership of the GC because you thought it up based upon RL standards is as invalid as when I tried to educate y'all about the legal status of Corporation (Sole) and Corporation (Multi).  I tried the 'this is what its like in the real world' to make my point.  You informed me then that this is a game and not RL, so my arguement was invalid.  And now you try to use the same defense for something you want.  You started the precedent that real world do not apply to the game.

That is why my 'law books' have been gathering dust on my shelves.

The galactic council might have been your original idea.  But it became an official organization within the game.  An organization that ITO was a full member of.  Your the only one who wanted that senior membership crap.  Nothing was ever passed for that.  Hell I don't recall you proposing it even. As a democracy, it would take a majority vote to close down the GC.  Since at the time when war broke out there were only 2 members left, it would take both sides agreeing to shut it down. Which is not what happened.  Dadds that is why you have no right to close it yourself.  The most you can do is leave it.  Yes that makes it a council of 1 and pretty much defunct. But that is the way it is.  You saying it is shut down is would have been like me saying it is shut down before i left.  Just can't be done.  Since you have declared war for a simple matter of an opinion on one corp, then declared war on a fellow GC member for saying he can see how I would see that from my point of view, you might as well have declared war on the GC itself.  By default in my opinion this should automatically remove you from the GC.  The way I see it ITO still has run of the GC and with only ITO needing to vote, they can pretty much pass anything they want now.  Not that it matters most. 

As for me consorting with outlaws.  No communication was made between the two of us until 24 hours after you declared war on my corp.  By that point I was no longer a member of the GC, no longer bound by it's charter, you had already pretty much left the GC and declared war on a GC members and was on the verge of declaring war with EoS. If we were to go by what you said of the GC being gone when you made the declaration of it being disbanded, at that point Raph was no longer an outlaw since there would be no outlaw list without the GC.  I declared our ceasefire shortly after you declared war.  But I didn't even try to contact him until I was certain you wouldn't come to your senses on this.  My original plan before you got all war crazy was to continue going after raph as usual. But thanks to you we know have a new target to represents a much bigger threat to the galaxy. Yes I am talking about you Dadds.  You have always been a little hotheaded and looking for an excuse to fight.  Until Raph came along you kept trying to look for little reasons to even go after us.  When Sargas  became more outspoken you started looking for any little reason you could to go after him.   If anyone has forgot the values of the GC it is you.  It's purpose was to help new players, keep the larger corps in check and to try to promote peace.  But all you have wanted to do is fight.  You act like your high and mighty like you are in the right.  Well your not.   With TGE you could try to use excuses like piracy and stuff. Some might have bought that.  But then you declare war on ITO.  A peaceful corp who's only fault was saying something you didn't like.   Then there is EoS. Yes I have had issues with them from time to time. They have ticked me off some with comments made time to time on the forum.  I have even felt the urge to just find them and blow them up. But other then that one incident at Jupiter over a stolen mod,  I have resisted the urge to do so.  I have not flipped my lid and declared war.    Raph may have come in here telling he would blow up Sol and all this other junk.  But at least he isn't trying to hide behind some high non-existent morality like you are doing Dadds. 


As to me posting PMs up here.  I always thought that was a really dumb rule. Especially because in situations like this PMs should be allowed for evidence.  I know it doesn't exactly show you in the best of light. But that isn't my problem. Your the one showing just what kind of a person you are.  No one here is trying to make you look like the bad guy either.  Your doing a very good job of that on your own.

To set things strait, you are not the only one to asked Sir Emi to take care of the GC; Below is the request I sent him and his answer.

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Astro Galaxy Support
25-Mar-2014 16:04
Re: GC

Hello,

Council members have been dismissed until further notice.


The board will be set to invisible in the next few days, to be recalled if there is a need for it in the future.


Thank you.

Sir Emi, AG Support


 
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Hi,

I would like your help regarding the GC.

JJL and Dadds and their respective corp have drop out of the GC (numerous post on the forum). They should be removed from the moderator list and should have no power anymore in the GC.

Dadds also want the GC to be removed. He has no right to to so since there is still the corp ITO active in the GC. Also our corp EoS as tried to get membership for many months now. We want to help the GC. We beleive in it.

As a cofounder of the GC, I ask your help to let only the leader of ITO with power in the GC.

Please help us, please do not let the GC die

Matamaure (a dedicate player and supporter of AG)

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As you can read, the GC is not dead yet. It can die if nobody care about it but it can also live if we group together and want to keep it. Us at EoS want to keep the GC. It's charter will need to be improve. With all the goodwill captains I am sure we will be able to fix it and make it usefull.

By the way, Dadds, does Sir Emi answered your request and if so you could share it with us.

Best Regards fellow captains,

Captain Matamaure

Ok Dadds, so you think that if when you become founding member of a COUNCIL and help construct a charter, that you own the charter and/or the organization?

No, you did this on behalf of the council and own the charter no more than the president owns a law. It's not your intellectual copyright, simply because you made it.

In real life, you would be laughed at for even suggesting that you own the charter for an organization which you made it for.

Every time you open your mouth I am further amazed, Dadds. Amazed at your paranoia, your distorted fantasy in which I or Jam is siding with an outlaw and so on. Jam doesn't trust Raph any more than you do and I haven't spoken to him since he declared war on ITO -outside the forum. The only outlaw here is the hothead that wants Jam to censor his objective opinion, act like it's a personal attack, and declare war on anyone that tells him he's over reacting.

I think you just wanted an excuse for war and the GC was in your way so you get it shut down.

You usually aren't like this but now everything you say says to me I should remind you

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
-Mark Twain

True, I can't be bothered to protect them, but if they give me info where I can improve the score to 3:0 (yes, of course you are the one with ZERO score), I will take it, and I will send all the necessary ships and spend a billion solars just to achieve it. You seem to forget that you killing you is part of my interest, brat.  :12:

as far as the foul regarding the PM message reporting is concerned, you need to snitch right away and don't hold it over someone's head (i.e. you better do what I say or I'm telling Mom.  That's really childish, don't you think?).

JamJul, your comments are spot on.

Dadds, you might have dreamed about a council during one of your drunken debacles, but if you do not have verifiable copyright (dated before June 20, 2013), your arguement is dismissed as not being a legal copyright.  

The charter was hammered out by Aysle (IMG), Goodperson (NHC), JamJulLison (PMI), and myself (PMI).  If you have a previous claim, show it.

Otherwise, please stay quiet on the subject of ownership.



(edit to provide copyright law information, now that Dadds has asked me to dust off my 'law books')

Right, and Aysle never once consulted his corporation leader on its concept, what should be added or amended before he took it to PMI and NHC? lol you guys amaze me. Who do you think is in charge over here anyway? The charter was first suggested (intellectual property) by me. Aysle, my team mate and 2IC drew up a draft, which I amended and critiqued upon, before PMI even saw it. It is the work of IMG as was the request to Sir Emi to give us forum space to take away our side-line role playing. We had initially built an offnet forum to do this, but Sir Emi graciously gave us a spot here where we can "chew the cud" without annoying all the other users of our tedious discussions, of which this is a momentous one.
Aysle did a heck of a lot of work on it, and he was given the position by me as rep to reward that work. Aysle is still a loyal member of IMG, and as corporate rule goes, that which is built, created, invented, written, performed, for a corp, belongs to a corp. Looking around here, i am still wearing the leadership insignia.
i can certainly present drafts and dialog via mail dating back to the year dot. It will be presented when (and should i deem it) necessary.

What you see as childish is actually a mature pointing out of an error which the reader and offender can apologize to, before it goes to the next level. I guess you guys dont have the concept of fair go and fair play and give someone a chance to redeem themselves....or you dont hold it in high esteem.
As i recall it, you were a 3rd person who had a cry about not being included in the first signing so we had to allow 3 reps within PMI to have a say, instead of 2, which was considered fair and suitable.
As usual, PMI had to have more numbers on their side or they would whine.

Much of the original draft was rewritten by me if I recall when we worked on the charter.  We still got the messages in our forums as well.  You were not the first to have had this idea either. It is just before you came along we felt that if we did this people would think the big boys were trying to push them around.  After you we agreed to the possibility of it to help keep IMG and the other larger corps in check.   Fact is though just as much effort was put into writing and rewriting this by us that you can't take the sole claim for it all. Yes you were the last original member left in the GC. But that doesn't mean you had seniority either. We never agreed to a seniority system. ITO had full rights as IMG.   IMG did not have the authority to close the GC or dissolve it.  All IMG could do was leave the Galactic Council which to me seems exactly what you guys did when you declared war on your allies in ITO.   The Charter is a set of guidelines and rules for the GC to follow.  The GC is an organization. Almost like a government make up of multiple corps.  The Council itself is not owned by anyone.  There for the Charter itself does not belong to anyone.   By leaving the GC of course ITO is the sole member and can't fully function as intended. But that simply means at the most the GC is put on inactive mode.  That does not mean it is gone unless the majority (which is ITO right now) says it is.



This was only due to the fact that we had a mining and navy division. So both the corp leader and the division leaders needed a say in it.  For that matter I would have accepted the opinion of everyone in the corp on weighing in on it. 

Yeah, and i had the idea of the wheel also, until some caveman came across and actually built it....we built it and it happened because of the 1st PMI wars. End of history lesson.
Your recollection is flawed, as usual. Go ahead and show me this draft that you "re-wrote" and i will show you a carbon copy of what was submitted to you, excluding minor blemishes
LOL IMG is a non aggressive, mining corp, or was, until you came around trying to push weight around. Not one pilot in the system had anything to fear from us then....You are adopting the reasoning for the GC in the first place. To keep pirates under a ruling so they didnt do what they tried to do to me and later to IMG. The GC was to keep your actions to a minimum.....we as a corp have never attacked miners or pilots during those times, so "keeping us in check" was not as necessary as "keeping pirate activities in check"
I wholly acknowledge it was a pledge formed between 3 corporations, with the hope it will be adopted and accepted by others. You walked away from your pledge. NHC got bored of their pledge and drifted out of the galaxy. When you voiced your opinion about dissolving the GC once before, i advised that was a bad idea. After you chose to anyway, that left an ineffective governance. The GC was always based on a 3 vote + system. You reduced that to a 2 vote by your actions. Also, you know for a fact that i was considering changing the structure of the GC to include a chairperson, voted in as mediator to the council. You pushed to get rid of the NHC, and then you chose to quit also, blaming my inability to govern, rather than stating your own desire to return to pirating the sol system. You have quit and gone against the Galactic Charter, so you can no longer hold any claim to it.
Oh, and BTW, you cant have a majority of one on a council lol Just rename it something appropriate, like Regime, or Dictatorship, or Autocracy. Even with 2 members, with the 1 vote system, cannot work so i called for a dissolution. I am still very much a part of the GC concept and its existence.

Here is an original copy that was first sent to us by your number 2. 


1st Galactic Council Charter

As an alliance of the chosen (hehe I like how that sounds) we agree to promote the growth of our fellow Captains in all Corps that aspire to grow with honor.

As such a council of the "three" is to be formed. The Galactic Council hence forth referred to as the 'GC' will handle all complaints and disagreements between Captains when called upon.

1. All issues must be brought to the attention of the GC via the public forums by the complainant. Supporting documentation in the form of Battle Reports and PMs must be posted so that the GC may evaluate the situation and deem a proper response.

2. The agreement of the majority shall hold the rule of law threw-out the Galaxy.

3. Players deemed "outlaws" shall be added to the GC KOS list. Reprisals shall be on the order of 5 to 1. All outlaw holdings are valid targets for raiding or destruction.

4. In extreme cases of destruction or repeated (5x) rulings concerning the same aggressor the Corp that harbors the "outlaw" after fair warning (5 days) shall be deemed accessories after the fact and all raiding upon said Corp's holdings shall be fair game to encourage said Corp to rectify the situation.

5. Each Corp's GC representative shall be authorized to appoint a Corp member to perform a single retaliatory strike upon an aggressor. So long as said aggressor is NOT a member of a GC Corp and when time is of the essence. Notification of the attack and the reasoning behind said attack with supporting documentation shall be posted ASAP to the GC forum along with the battle report.
6.1 The GC shall take up the matter and a vote shall take place whether the retaliatory strike was warranted. If the strike was deemed unnecessary the Corp that performed the strike shall provide recompense via a module transfer with a minimum value of $500k. If the targets losses were greater the value of the recompense shall be 2x the losses.


6. Additions to the GC shall be considered by petition of any Corp that reaches 10 million total power. Inclusion in the GC will be at the discretion of the GC. A vote will take place and the majority shall rule. The new GC member Corp must agree to all terms of GC charter.

7. The GC charter may be amended via a majority vote of GC members.
Amendments concerning attacks, raiding, or addition to the GC KOS list require a super majority (75%) to be achieved.

8. Each Corp member of the GC may appoint it's own representative to the GC. The representative may be changed via notice of said Corp's leader.





All we did was inform you of our intentions on one person who had declared war on us and then joining your corp. It would have been solved peacefully if you would have had him apologize for cussing me out and recend that declaration of war.  If you had truly wanted peace then that is what you would have done. It wasn't unreasonable.  You are the ones who at first jumped up saying if we were going to go after him  (despite it being his fault the situation was even there), that we would have to fight all of you.  Yes both sides got hot headed.  I had issues keeping my people under control on the forum just as you did. But I tried to remain calm and work things out. But you made it very difficult and it reached a point where there was no going back and war was to come.  The GC was created to keep us all in check but you were the primary one we were worried about.  NHC didn't worry about us flying off the handle and possibly turning on them to wipe them out.  Yes some of them did worry about that.  Your actions on the forums showed us that you tend to fly off the handle at times.  Yes you were weaker in the beginning. By the end of the war we saw how you all had grown and knew if you ever flew off the handle again that you could very well declared on war on pretty much everyone in the game.  It seems now though they what we thought might happen has happened now.  Thanks for proving us right though.




Once again you claim the reason I left is because I wanted to return to pirating.  Something I haven't really done.  Removing a few inactives does not qualify as that.  If I had returned to my old ways I would be hitting all of sol almost daily and when not hitting that I would be hitting other systems in 0,0.  Something I also haven't been doing.  I left the GC because I felt IMG wasn't performing it's duties in the GC correctly.  When I wanted to dissolve the GC that was one of the reasons I wanted to do it.  This has been a long standing issue. Now it isn't your fault your rep kept going inactive, but as leader you should have removed him as your rep and either appointed someone else or yourself as rep. But you didn't. Not to mention you didn't check the GC board very often.  As for pushing to get rid of NHC.  You wanted to get rid of them just as much as I did.   I agree we can't have a majority of 1.  But that only means it is inactive until either Joolz says it is gone or he is able to reform it.  If it is indeed still yours, then not only did you spit on the GC itself when you turned on your fellow GC member but you also have severely disgraced the GC itself.  It would also mean that there would still be 2 and that the GC itself is in a civil war.  You can't just close it down. Yes you talked about a possible chairperson position but nothing was ever really passed on that.  Most discussion about that wasn't even done on the forum.  Yes I can't take any claim to the charter now but neither can you.  It is a charter belonging to the GC.  So either you have left the GC when you declared war on ITO or The Council is in a Civil war.  You don't have authority to dissolve it.  So which is it dadds?   Either way the charter itself can't be said for you to own it alone.  Just as you don't own the GC itself.

If there was something wrong with the administration, then why didnt you vote me out like you voted out NHC. You had the votes with whispering between you and ITO.
And there is my point right in the 2nd line of the original charter, a council of THREE. Look around and do a head count. The original two members are out, leaving IMG holding the ball.
If NHC chose to come back and be involved again in the GC, they would be highly considered.
To the rest of your post, JamJul Lison, is just a lot of blather and hot air. You still want to bring up the reason we went to war with you because i wasnt prepared to force a member to apologize to you for something that happened before he was my corp member? Instead you ranted and raved and told me i was an upstart and took it to the forums. Didnt quite work out the way you thought, did it, mighty PMI, 2nd top corp leader of the time. This "upstart" showed you a clean set of heels. I asked my corp member if he was prepared to apologize, he said he wasnt because he felt he was in the right. You were blowing up his orbital in Sol. Your suggestion?: I should make him apologize or kick him out....what great mediation skills you have JamJul.
Now we have come full circle. You said something about me and my corp which i found offensive, considering the work i put into the GC to keep it working and the mediation between you and Sargas of EOS. I PMed you to make a forum retraction, you refused to do so.....I advised in very plain language it would be in your best interests, but no....the great and mighty JamJul couldnt be pushed around and do something he didnt want to do, yet again
Do you all see the irony and a similar mirroring of events that lead to the first war? I wasnt even asking for an apology, i was just asking you to recant what i perceive to be damaging commentary. You want to hide behind your 1st amendment to express your opinion, however there are also things that protect the victim, called slander, libel and defamation. Since talking NEVER resolves anything with you, JamJul, i instead speak with my abilities on the field of battle.
Gosh i love it when i see you all point and accuse and pass blame to others and never take any blame or responsibility for your own words or actions. You should think in future, before you go commenting on my ability to manage my corp and the council. All this, for 1 simple retraction lol so petty, the lot of you. I wont be bothering to check this thread or forums. it just is a delaying waste of time for me to "get business done" in game

You are aware that very beginning there that you quoted is part of the introduction.  There were 3 in the beginning.  Nothing saying there couldn't be expansion or less.



What i wanted was for him to be accountable for his own actions.  It is like an international terrorist bombing a national target and then going to hide in some other country and that country lets them in and threatens to attack anyone who tries to get him.   The guy was clearly in the wrong. Even though we weren't purposely targeting him he had the right to be upset when he thought we were.  That was no excuse for cussing us out though and it was pure stupidity on his part to declare war on us.  All I wanted there was a simple apology for his rude behavior and a retraction of war declaration.  The fact he thought his rude behavior was acceptable shows just what a piece of crap human being he really was.  The entire situation could have been handled better on both of our parts. I just have brought the issue to you in private but didn't. But there was fault on your side as well.  Nothing we proposed seemed acceptable to you.  Even keeping it 1 on 1 between me and him was unacceptable to you despite it was his own fault he got into the mess in the first place.  So war eventually broke out.  Now that is the past.  Now let's leave it there. I only brought it up cause you brought it up first.




You didn't ask me to take it down.  You demanded I take it down or else.  There is a difference.  I wasn't cussing anyone out.  I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I wasn't trying to declare war.  I was just simply stating my opinion on the current states of all of the top corps.  I understand why you didn't like what I said. But you overreacted to the entire situation.  You could have posted on there why you felt I was wrong.  It was not a good reason to declare war.  Then when ITO gives their view on the matter. Here is exactly what Joolz said word for word.





Joolz was not trying to insult anyone. ITO has always been rather peaceful.  Yet after expressing his opinions, Dadds you feel compelled to declare war on them.  This seems to start to look like a trend with you these days.  If someone has an opinion you don't like or agree with, you declare war on them.   In my original post I was never even trying to slander IMG.  Let us examine exactly what I said.


Ok this is the first part.  This here at the time of the posting was all fact.  You were active,  aysle hadn't been online in ages and Kristen was only semi-active. Things you yourself had told me.  Jake only returned shortly after that.




This here was just my own opinion.  It wasn't fact.  I don't expect everyone to share the same opinions I do. But if you feel it was wrong you could have just said so and maybe even explained why if you wanted.  Not decide to go up in arms or threaten to.  Hell I even said it wasn't entirely your fault.   I know from personal experience how hard it can be to keep members active.  Which brings me to the last original thing I said.




I have had people quit and go inactive. It can be a chore to keep them active sometimes.  I understand well the issues IMG is dealing with on inactivity. We have faced it as well.  As have a lot of corps.  It can happen to any corp.   Now lets get to part you decided to focus on. Something I put in near the end of another post to another person.


This was never ment to be slander either.  It was just my own opinion.   It is nothing to go to war over either.  I am also not sure what I could have done to change that post to make it sound any better.



No this is an entirely different matter then the first war.  This time no one was trying to insult anyone.  I simply expressed my opinion with no intentions to slander anyone.  Then you demand I retract my statements or else. The entire tone of those so called request for me to post a retraction was that do or I will attack you.  You first hinted at it lightly. Then implied it even more heavily in the next one.  If you had possibly asked me nicely without any hints that you would attack us if I didn't, then I might have actually considered posting a retraction.  At the very least a new post expressing why I may have been incorrect.  There was nothing friendly about your "request".  That is why I refused to comply.