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Title: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on August 12, 2014, 02:01:49 PM
Someone is at it again, 2 of my missions have seen someone drop new COM mission over it :(

SirEmi: please, we need tools to detect the culprits.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on August 12, 2014, 02:03:45 PM
I had to take over one of Presbyter's because he's been gone so long... Are they big ones Mata?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on August 12, 2014, 02:10:36 PM
one at 14 mil and the other one at 26 mil. Those are similar to my regular missions. It is one of the top players that did it:(


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 12, 2014, 02:54:28 PM
at this time, the only thing you can to do is wait there and see who shows up to claim 'their' reward.  (I know, I really do)...


we will need this to be added to the upgrades if they ever get around to doing WHD's...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on August 12, 2014, 04:52:03 PM
Someone is at it again, 2 of my missions have seen someone drop new COM mission over it :(

SirEmi: please, we need tools to detect the culprits.


It wasn't me.  I did have a guy in SSS do it to me recently.   I finished both missions of course but I also sent the guy a warning not to do it again.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on August 17, 2014, 09:53:58 PM
Someone is at it again... :(... :(... :(


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on August 18, 2014, 02:34:48 AM
Someone is at it again... :(... :(... :(



Not me. The majority if my ships are tied up in a large combat timer with Dadds at S/Epsilon Indi E1. lol  I haven't even seen you with what other ships I got doing COMs.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on August 18, 2014, 10:27:04 AM
Even my own members do it to me without my approval. LOL


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on August 18, 2014, 11:34:14 AM
Your other players are still too small for that kind of COM mission lol


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 18, 2014, 04:13:19 PM
Can a Mother-ship, with ships in the hanger bay, with a combined power of 15 t0 20 million begin a mission with that type of reward or is it still only the ship that accepts the mission sets the odds, timer, and reward?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on August 18, 2014, 08:44:44 PM
the mothership's power alone will determine the strength of the pirates, not the ships docked inside it.  :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JoolzVern on August 18, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
Wasn't me. I don't think any of my guys could get a 14mil com mission just yet. Jake perhaps?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on August 18, 2014, 10:56:29 PM
I'm pretty sure Jake does not have a ship with that kind of power


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 19, 2014, 12:29:24 AM
Jake has 14 ships totaling ~20 million power.  He doesn't have that level of strength yet (neither do I)...  


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 19, 2014, 12:33:41 AM
the mothership's power alone will determine the strength of the pirates, not the ships docked inside it.  :)

or a single ship in the hanger can answer the mission and start the proceedings based upon it's power (but not total).



Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 19, 2014, 12:37:18 AM
Even my own members do it to me without my approval. LOL

Then chastise them and make them stop.  You are their leader.  It's not really a laughing matter.  If your people will do it to you, what will stop them from doing it to an ally?  It needs to stop, it is a "TREATY BREAKER".


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on August 19, 2014, 12:42:48 AM
Even my own members do it to me without my approval. LOL
:)) :)) :)) :)) :))

Because we know that you can take it boss ;)
Except for that one I accidently did a while back... That was unfortunate

Also, it's payback for not giving us COM ships. ;)
............
............
............
Just kidding


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 19, 2014, 12:46:27 AM
And Rostin, my friend, please read the above missive about the intramural aspects of this behavior.

 


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on August 19, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
I have done it once in the last probably four months and it was an accident with my own boss. I was laughing at my own mistake, not the general idea of it.

I am certain that it is a serious issue for you guys. But in my dead-honest opinion, that is what you get for having COMs that take HUNDREDS OF HOURS... You are basically sitting there, asking for some other enemy or sneaky back-stabber to drop his crap on you. I know for a fact that I would be very upset if someone did that to one of my strong COM ships, but I don't cry over spilled milk. If it's an act of war, I get it. If it's a simple mistake, I get it. If one of my friends did it without warning or notice I would be pissed, but $#!t happens and not everyone in this game is a saint.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 19, 2014, 01:12:29 AM
We all know who is doing this.  We really can't do anything about it, but we know who is responsible.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on August 19, 2014, 05:45:23 AM
The likely culprate is Dadds.  That said I did send out a reminder to my people about it. Just in case someone did it and I hadn't heard about it. Only 1 person besides myself has personal ships capable of producing COMs of these powers. That is Sauron. Though I doubt it is him. Also some of my other people do have use of corp COM ships capable of producing such missions.  That being said I can understand why some might do this to Mata and Raph without thinking much of it. They are so much bigger they figure they aren't hurting anything. Unfortunately not everyone thinks ahead.  That said those like Dadds know the benefit of doing this to them and would gladly do this to his enemies.  After all that is how he sees us all.  Even those he isn't at war with he sees as a potential enemy.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on August 19, 2014, 09:49:15 PM
Improving the WHD should be top priority.  :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 19, 2014, 10:10:55 PM
yes, but that's not up to us is it?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on August 20, 2014, 11:55:06 AM
I agree with you Ralph.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 20, 2014, 06:33:55 PM
so do I, Mata and Rafe, so do I. But weren't we promised more pledge products ( like 3 or 4 at the same time).



Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Dadds on August 22, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
Quote
The likely culprate is Dadds.  That said I did send out a reminder to my people about it. Just in case someone did it and I hadn't heard about it. Only 1 person besides myself has personal ships capable of producing COMs of these powers. That is Sauron. Though I doubt it is him. Also some of my other people do have use of corp COM ships capable of producing such missions.  That being said I can understand why some might do this to Mata and Raph without thinking much of it. They are so much bigger they figure they aren't hurting anything. Unfortunately not everyone thinks ahead.  That said those like Dadds know the benefit of doing this to them and would gladly do this to his enemies.  After all that is how he sees us all.  Even those he isn't at war with he sees as a potential enemy.
There you go again, pointing blame toward me and my corp. I will state again, for the record, for those morons who keep missing the point, I DONT DUMP COM MISSIONS ON OTHERS. If a combatant is in a system that i go to, you can expect a combat counter before a dump. The only time i use that tactic is when i want to extend a com counter to keep an aggressor in place while i attack them so you will know when it is me doing this. It is likely a sneaky cheap lazy act of someone that is or was a pirate, JJL. Who is the more likely suspect there, i wonder?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on August 22, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
Thx Dadds to point the finger at the true culprit.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on August 22, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
the thing is Dadds, we do not trust you...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on August 22, 2014, 09:50:15 PM
I trust Dadds more than JJL.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on August 22, 2014, 09:52:00 PM
Jam is right, Dadds surely did it. He even admits that he DOES do that. Doesn't matter what his conditions are for doing it, that fact is, he does it and he admits doing it. He can change his reason anytime he wants, but he cannot change the fact that he does dump them.  He isn't really attacking me for many months now since I can easily kick his weak ass, so he just dumps these missions on me. Same with Mata. We all know IMG is slumping big time so he wants to take everyone else with him. LOL

And Sargas is right, I don't trust Dadds either. Who wants to trust someone who, in a blink of an eye, can turn against you for the most stupid reason? bwahahahaha


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on August 22, 2014, 09:52:26 PM
Quote
The likely culprate is Dadds.  That said I did send out a reminder to my people about it. Just in case someone did it and I hadn't heard about it. Only 1 person besides myself has personal ships capable of producing COMs of these powers. That is Sauron. Though I doubt it is him. Also some of my other people do have use of corp COM ships capable of producing such missions.  That being said I can understand why some might do this to Mata and Raph without thinking much of it. They are so much bigger they figure they aren't hurting anything. Unfortunately not everyone thinks ahead.  That said those like Dadds know the benefit of doing this to them and would gladly do this to his enemies.  After all that is how he sees us all.  Even those he isn't at war with he sees as a potential enemy.
There you go again, pointing blame toward me and my corp. I will state again, for the record, for those morons who keep missing the point, I DONT DUMP COM MISSIONS ON OTHERS. If a combatant is in a system that i go to, you can expect a combat counter before a dump. The only time i use that tactic is when i want to extend a com counter to keep an aggressor in place while i attack them so you will know when it is me doing this. It is likely a sneaky cheap lazy act of someone that is or was a pirate, JJL. Who is the more likely suspect there, i wonder?



Here is the thing Dadds. You have admitted me to doing it against Raph in the past to extend his timer. You have no problem doing it to people you are at war with.  Well look at this, you are at war with TGE, ITO, SSS and EoS.  Considering you have no issue using this as a tactic in war to delay their profits, for all we know you could easily be laying them on us with that very intention.  How can we even be sure to trust you when you turn your backs on  treaties and alliances over simple opinions?  Is it any wonder we don't trust you.   Fact is I haven't laid any COMs down on mata in a long time.  I haven't ever laid it down on any other member of EoS.  The only time I have ever laid them down on ITO is if both of us have a hijacking. In which case I make an offer to finish the COM for them and they can come back later and collect their rewards.  Something of which no one has had an issue with.  As for SSS,  Raph's the only one I have ever laid them on for them. I don't exactly stumble across his missions a lot.  Me and Raph have no official agreement one way or the others.  The reason we don't hit each other is cause we got no reason really to.  We would rather focus our aggression on a mutual enemy.   Now why put all the blame on me I wonder?  In the past when I have done it and someone asked me, I was truthful about it.  I have no reason to do it to Mata.  I have no reason to jeopardize our NAP.  Me and him may not get along like we used to, but that doesn't mean I am going to be an ass and just leave them on him.  Dadds the only one I'd gladly slap COMs on is you.  After all we are at war and if I can make it take longer to complete you missions then so be it.  I have told my people not to be laying COMs down on others. But I have given them permission to do that to is IMG. Not that they see you guys much either.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on December 27, 2014, 05:46:27 PM
A big player drop a COM mission again on top of mine and left the area at S/MTL 8970 A1.  :4:  :4:  :4:  :4:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on December 27, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
 :(


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on December 27, 2014, 09:38:28 PM
A little bit more suspects now..  :))


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on December 28, 2014, 03:36:06 PM
It wasn't me (not big enough either  :2: ), though I'd like to take a moment to apologise for inadvertedly dropping in on a COM twice a few weeks ago. I didn't realise that you active your mission just by clicking on it in the cargo bay, thinking that'd only happen once you actually start the timer. Sorry about that mistake kvala and another captain whose name I forgot. It won't happen again. The 1.5 M opponents will have added nearly seven hours to your timers.

A good few of you have had messages from me asking when your COMs run out since then.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on December 28, 2014, 04:44:10 PM
What I do since a few months now if there is a COM where I intend to start a new one: I move elsewhere and come back later or drop the mission for free at earth. No time to loose waiting.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Viracocha on December 28, 2014, 05:03:39 PM
so i am not only one who get COMs over his missions  :21:
someone do that systematically  :4:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on December 28, 2014, 09:07:21 PM
Viracocha: lets find the culprit captain and prosecute (I mean execute) him or her.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on December 28, 2014, 09:54:54 PM
I'm sorry, Mata, but I am your Emperor and I say there will be no executions for this offense.

Instead, the convicted party must stay alive. He/She will be incarcerated in a dark and dank cell measuring about 3 meters by 1 meter by 2 meters. There (assign prisoner designation here) will be encouraged to contemplate the folly of their actions for the rest of their lives.



Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on December 28, 2014, 10:29:58 PM
Better to just "integrate" the culprit in your Sunday BBQ I say.



Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on December 28, 2014, 11:18:31 PM
CANNIBAL!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: lisunken on December 28, 2014, 11:24:04 PM
lol I think I will stop coming your sunday BBQ just in case.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on December 28, 2014, 11:32:51 PM
CANNIBAL!!!!!!!!!

At least I'm dressed  :12:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Viracocha on December 29, 2014, 11:18:24 AM
it's hard to find who it is but i am sure that i will hunt him very long time when i find him ..
it's 1 of the top players because droped Com's was big


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on December 29, 2014, 11:50:30 AM
idem here


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Dragonfly on December 29, 2014, 03:13:23 PM
Im not getting others COM's pon my own really, but it happend once or twice in the past. Last time it was Mata who dropped His COM on my mission ;) But I've been informed that this was an accident and we worked this out in a civilized way :)

Anyway, as Im often online and often have not much to do when my timers are still tickin, I could use my scout or two to monitor some of Your COM's, Vira and others from the Syndicate ;] Finding out whos behind this issue will be hard for sure, but that's all I can do :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: lisunken on December 29, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
There was talk about add id on com in the update. If sir E  add that on the coming update. We will known who drop com on someone.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Viracocha on December 29, 2014, 06:32:15 PM
Dragonfly hi need like 10 sec to drop COM so we can see him just with a lot of luck ...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on January 01, 2015, 11:54:38 PM
Find out who it is so that I will have an excuse to kill somebody again..  :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Dragonfly on January 02, 2015, 06:34:58 AM
Alright, before things will get more complicated, i'll say this.

Mata, it was me who dropped a COM on Yours in MTL system. I didn't checked the orbit before activating my mission so it wasn't completly intentional,, but when I realized that You are there I left the orbit in secret, that was intentional. Still,  I did that in terms of competition, I wasn't expecting this to become such an affair :)

And for things to be clear, I never dropped my COM on anybody else but Mata this one time. Besides Raphs battlefields but after He said that I can, so these not count, so I am not taking responsibillity for any other COM dropping on others. Also, I have no intention in dropping my COMs on others in the future, I rather prefer to do my missions on my own and geather some experience this way. Situation with Mata in MTL system was my only, not planned before, exception.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on January 02, 2015, 02:03:51 PM
Dragonfly: it take courage to say so. I have made errors in the past and I can accept that you made an error also. I am ready to forget that but next time may i suggest you contact the captain concern instead of trying to hide.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Dragonfly on January 02, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
Thank You for Your forgivness, and Im sorry. True I now feel bad about my mistake. You (and everyone else) may be sure that You will not get my COM's on Yours ever.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on January 02, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
Where's a group hug smiley when you need one?  :icecream:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on January 02, 2015, 05:47:51 PM
(https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608033843295358300&pid=15.1&P=0)(https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608038864107080492&pid=15.1&P=0)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: lisunken on January 02, 2015, 09:20:47 PM
aaaaahhhh.  first day of the a new year, I need to wash my eye out :pokey:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on January 02, 2015, 10:37:29 PM
I don't really have anything to say about this topic since it hasn't happened to me really nor am I anywhere near strong enough to actually do anything to you folks nor would I really bother... but wow Sargas roflmao, where did you find that pic? xD After a long day of working on a new project idea I see that and all I can think is... That is the best thing I have seen all day long xD

That being said I'll keep an eye out for any... shall we say suspicious activity. I don't expect to find anything but crazy things do happen lol.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on January 03, 2015, 10:46:18 AM
aaaaahhhh.  first day of the a new year, I need to wash my eye out :pokey:

How much did YOU drink, sir?  :))  It's the 3rd already  :yawn:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: lisunken on January 03, 2015, 12:12:26 PM
Is free drinks night. If you can drink it without pass out it free. I still standing and drinking.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on January 03, 2015, 12:46:43 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/sargas37/barsmileys.gif)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on January 03, 2015, 04:23:46 PM
Rofl, that reminds me of that old game RootBeer Tapper, anyone else remember that game? xD Oh the hours I spent playing that game...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 17, 2015, 12:01:17 AM
I have found SPQNR members have a bad habit of dropping COMs on people.  Today marks the 2nd time in two months that I know for sure they have dropped COMs on me. First it was torh.  Today it was Marcus Cruoningus.  I am not going to tolerate this anymore.  Those I find drop COMs on me are going to get a revenge hit back if I find one of their ships and can hit it.  I will not destroy any planetary or orbital structures belonging to them though.  I also won't hunt them down. But if I run into them and can take the ship, you can bet your butt I am going to hit it.  Both people claimed it was an accident. But that is awfully coincidental. Not to mention looking at some of the more recent messages on here others have been dealing with people doing the same thing.  I don't do it. As far as I know my people don't do it. I don't think anyone in EoS does it. We know those others aren't raph because it would be fairly obvious by the power of the ships who did it if he did it.  So the most likely people doing it are either in SPQNR or SSS and with recent experiences I would guess probably SPQNR. No offense Rostin.  It is just the track record I am starting to notice with your people and I don't like it.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 02:38:48 AM
Listen up mate, I gave you a FULL explanation of what happened, and certainly didn't try to hide it. I also offered you FULL compensation. Instead, you went into the paranoid b*tch mode that has become your trademark in AG. Later today, I'll ask the UC, which both TGE and SPQNR are part of, to offer their $0.02 on the matter. That may prevent unnecessary escalation.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Merkaba on February 17, 2015, 06:08:38 AM
yeah really "two" people.  One Torh, it was his first day doing coms ever, you couldnt handle the 1M power added?

Also, you said you were not going to attack planets eh?  I have seen Torh battle report of you attacking and looting his planet.  Care to explain that?

I myself dropped a hijacker ontop of a SSS member on accident my first day of coms.  I looked only saw one ship, and I saw looters everywhere, i didnt notice the hijackers in there as well.  I learned a single ship can hold both mission types  open and to look more carefully.  He didnt complain and thanked me for letting him know.



Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 17, 2015, 07:04:59 AM
I have found SPQNR members have a bad habit of dropping COMs on people.  Today marks the 2nd time in two months that I know for sure they have dropped COMs on me. First it was torh.  Today it was Marcus Cruoningus.  I am not going to tolerate this anymore.  Those I find drop COMs on me are going to get a revenge hit back if I find one of their ships and can hit it.  I will not destroy any planetary or orbital structures belonging to them though.  I also won't hunt them down. But if I run into them and can take the ship, you can bet your butt I am going to hit it.  Both people claimed it was an accident. But that is awfully coincidental. Not to mention looking at some of the more recent messages on here others have been dealing with people doing the same thing.  I don't do it. As far as I know my people don't do it. I don't think anyone in EoS does it. We know those others aren't raph because it would be fairly obvious by the power of the ships who did it if he did it.  So the most likely people doing it are either in SPQNR or SSS and with recent experiences I would guess probably SPQNR. No offense Rostin.  It is just the track record I am starting to notice with your people and I don't like it.
Maybe it's because we're the only corp that gives new players the opportunities to access COMs early on? Look at how big SPQNR is and what the average power rating is. We're giving chances to players who would normally have to work by themselves for months to get offered. There is a learning curve to this game James; I suggest you respect it, show patience, and let people learn this game without treating them like crap.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: torh on February 17, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
as merkaba said in one of the above messages that it was one of my first coms i have ever done ( if i remember correctly is was in fact the second and i was honest and agmited my mistake by sending you a message  if  i did it on purpose that would be really dum
and i was willing to let you attack one of my ships in a fair fight ( meaning between to ships which have shields and weapons )  but you attacked a mining ship which had no weapons or defenses.
 on a further note i also offered you to compensate you with QP at the time for your inconvinience but you refused  i also explained to you why a player as old as me ( account number 274) dumb rookie mistakes but i will do that here agian so no one can say i didnt

i started playing this game in very early as is evedent from my player number 274   i was a member of the EIMC (east indi mining corporation) of which in my later days i became corp leader however i went on hiatus because i had lost interest in the game and had other things to contend with in real life which where more important than a game. i did however recenly return after i by accident found my password and username again on one of my usb drives. upon my return i discovered a message from SPQNR inviting me to join as by this time more than  a year and a half had past and my corp whas effectively dead i took the offer which brought me to My current corp.

this incedent happend while i was running com signals for the very first time with a com ship granted to me by the corperation in my inexperiance i dropped the com on you cause i forgot to check orbit first which was a rookie mistake.


 in your message at the top of this page you say I will not destroy any planetary or orbital structures belonging to them though
however you did in fact attack planetary instalations  as proven in the  post below

Attacker opened fire!

Wave 1 - Primary forces (Weapons & Boarding)

Jam COM #4 Vs. Orion
Weapons assault
Jam COM #4 maneuvers into fire range and attacks first.
Jam COM #4 attacks with Viper Squadron MK CC using standard formation.
Excellent hit on target, doing 161487 damage!
EMERGENCY JUMP!
Orion has retreated from the battlefield due to heavy damage!
Orion lost some cargo while executing the emergency jump...
Jam COM #4 searching for dumped cargo...
117 m3 Brass, 408 m3 Chromium, 258 m3 Kamacite, 260 m3 Cupalite, 19 m3 Cabriite scooped into cargo bay.

Wave 2 - Primary forces (Weapons flyby)

Wave 3 - Protected forces (Weapons & Boarding)

Jam COM #4 Vs. torh planetary force
Weapons assault
Jam COM #4 maneuvers into fire range and attacks first.
Jam COM #4 attacks with Viper Squadron MK CC using standard formation.
Minor hit on target, doing 45066 damage!
torh planetary force has been defeated!
Adv Mining facility Mk III was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 11 m3 of Copper to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 4 m3 of Cupalite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 4 m3 of Cupalite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 6 m3 of Chromium to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 8 m3 of Taenite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Kamacite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 1 m3 of Taenite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk III was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 14 m3 of Copper to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Chromium to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 4 m3 of Cupalite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Nickel to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Module is not mining. Nothing to loot!
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Chromium to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Copper to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Kamacite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 4 m3 of Cupalite to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 8 m3 of Copper to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk I was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Brass to ship cargo bay.
Mining facility Mk VII was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Copper to ship cargo bay.
Mining facility Mk VII was looted.
Jam COM #4 loaded 7 m3 of Copper to ship cargo bay.
Adv Mining facility Mk II was looted.
Module is not mining. Nothing to loot!

Objective: Defeat the opponent primary & protected forces.
 
Attacker victory!

the facts ramain that you attacked a ship and installation which in no way shape or form could defend its self

kind regards
torh


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on February 17, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
I've been kinda inactive because of MH4U and stuff but here is my thoughts...

First of all I'm sure Jam can handle the small power increases from these coms so that isn't the issue. The issue is that it can be a big problem for others and it really needs to not happen.

Secondly, I can understand where you are coming from Rostin, though I don't think your corp having more noobs has to do with anything other than you recruiting more than anyone else. Personally I can accept this as having been an accident, however twice in a relatively short period of time (for this game anyway) is the start of a patern. I would ask that Rostin and the rest of the folks over there redouble your efforts to teach your new players to look before they leap so to speak. It's your business if you want to take in as many new players as possible and it's your business how you teach them but if they continue making mistakes like this then sooner or later the entire collective of SPQNR is going to be held responsible for annoying the rest of us with this sort of thing you know what I mean? People can only take so much before they say enough is enough. I'm personally fine right now but Jam is one of the bigger players that is more spread out and really sees how often this sort of thing happens so I can understand him starting to really get tired of it.

Torh, you didn't give a date for that attack so was it before or after Jam posted that message? I didn't ask him specifically (or if I did I don't remember) what went on between the two of you but I remember him at least implying that you two have a history when your name was brought up in the corp board. I would assume his attack on your mining facilities might be a product of more than just one com you dropped on him.

Anywho, lets not make a habit of having to have these discussions. All we have to do is not drop coms on each other and this won't be a problem anymore.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
I think it needs to be seen in the perspective of the number of COMs going on at any given time (1000+). Statistically, it's INEVITABLE someone f*cks up at some stage. Some people love to make a mountain out of a molehill though.

Especially given the detailled explanation I offered Jam in private, before being forced to take it public here: http://unitedcorporations.freeforums.net/thread/29/uc-representatives-opinion-requested
Then, all of a sudden, the "pattern" consists of a n00bs mistake and genuine mistake by an only slightly more established player. It has happened before (TO us as well I might add!), it will happen again, despite our best efforts, and almost everyone else takes these things as an unfortunate part of the game. Only mr. JJL makes it look like we deserve to be brought before the International Court of Justice.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on February 17, 2015, 01:34:44 PM
This is true Raptor there are a lot of coms going on I'm sure. Still I don't see it as too difficult to make the habit of checking orbit before you even look in your cargo bay to start a mission. Idk what your situation was, I'll check it later since I'm multi-tasking a few too many things atm, but unless someone ninja'd you and got into orbit and dropped a mission between when you checked orbit and dropped your mission I can't really see what circumstances would allow an established player to not see another persons mission going on before they put theirs down.

As for how Jam is taking it, I can't speak to that too much but I would say this. There is that whole saying "the straw that broke the camels back" that comes to my mind when I look at this situation. Idk about you but I don't know what is going on in Jam's life atm so for all I know he is just really stressed out right now or tired of how things are going here on AG (mainly a lack of the updates we've been wanting for like forever) and then one thing happens and he needs to vent a bit. All I can say is it happens, it might not be fair to certain people but we all do it even if we try not to.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: torh on February 17, 2015, 03:10:30 PM
I've been kinda inactive because of MH4U and stuff but here is my thoughts...

First of all I'm sure Jam can handle the small power increases from these coms so that isn't the issue. The issue is that it can be a big problem for others and it really needs to not happen.

Secondly, I can understand where you are coming from Rostin, though I don't think your corp having more noobs has to do with anything other than you recruiting more than anyone else. Personally I can accept this as having been an accident, however twice in a relatively short period of time (for this game anyway) is the start of a patern. I would ask that Rostin and the rest of the folks over there redouble your efforts to teach your new players to look before they leap so to speak. It's your business if you want to take in as many new players as possible and it's your business how you teach them but if they continue making mistakes like this then sooner or later the entire collective of SPQNR is going to be held responsible for annoying the rest of us with this sort of thing you know what I mean? People can only take so much before they say enough is enough. I'm personally fine right now but Jam is one of the bigger players that is more spread out and really sees how often this sort of thing happens so I can understand him starting to really get tired of it.

Torh, you didn't give a date for that attack so was it before or after Jam posted that message? I didn't ask him specifically (or if I did I don't remember) what went on between the two of you but I remember him at least implying that you two have a history when your name was brought up in the corp board. I would assume his attack on your mining facilities might be a product of more than just one com you dropped on him.

Anywho, lets not make a habit of having to have these discussions. All we have to do is not drop coms on each other and this won't be a problem anymore.

i have taken step to prevent this from happening again in my case by making a step by step protocol that i try to follow
1. pick up multiple coms 
2. fly to closest system holding at least 2 coms in the ship at diffrent planets   and fully scout it
3. if the planet in the com has any ship in orbit i avoid it and move on to my second option if both planets have coms running i avoid the system for 72 hours and check again and find an other system where i fullow the same patern ( for jll i have made the special protocol of avoiding the entire system for a week unless intel tells me he has moved) ( the week rule is not in effect in systems where i or spqnr have a base )

i have no idea what history you are inpling i dont remember ever meeting JLL before the 'incedent'  if we did meet before that that would have had to be more than 1.5 years ago because as i stated before i was on hiatus  in which case he holds a really long grudge
but if so i invite him to pm me and talk it out  ( if this is about the fact that some members of my previous corp taking actions in the PMI vs img war (i found some post's i dont remember exactly where)  i was not active at the time and if i was i would have taken action at that time but i wasnt so if i am on to something talk it out with me)
i also did not drop more than one com on him as stated above i  took special protocol to ensure it doesnt happen again

 

This is true Raptor there are a lot of coms going on I'm sure. Still I don't see it as too difficult to make the habit of checking orbit before you even look in your cargo bay to start a mission. Idk what your situation was, I'll check it later since I'm multi-tasking a few too many things atm, but unless someone ninja'd you and got into orbit and dropped a mission between when you checked orbit and dropped your mission I can't really see what circumstances would allow an established player to not see another persons mission going on before they put theirs down.

As for how Jam is taking it, I can't speak to that too much but I would say this. There is that whole saying "the straw that broke the camels back" that comes to my mind when I look at this situation. Idk about you but I don't know what is going on in Jam's life atm so for all I know he is just really stressed out right now or tired of how things are going here on AG (mainly a lack of the updates we've been wanting for like forever) and then one thing happens and he needs to vent a bit. All I can say is it happens, it might not be fair to certain people but we all do it even if we try not to.

i can understand that Jam may be having a tough time but that is no reason to have this situation escalate everyone has difficult times in life and i hope it gets better for him but that is not something we can change so dont act out your anger on us 


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 03:21:34 PM
Idk what your situation was


Jam was doing a hijacker, I had both a hijacker AND a looter for that location. Started only the looter because I KNEW JJL was doing a hijacker, and when I woke up at 4 A.M. to the Open Fire command and killed the station, I wanted to collect my reward. THAT is where I accidentally dropped the hijacker instead of collecting the reward on the looter. On mobile btw, which probably wasn't very smart when still half asleep, but hey, we're all human.

I immediately informed him of it and offered compensation, but he choose to go bitchy on me instead. Two can play THAT game. The days of JJL bullying people around are over.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 03:23:49 PM
Btw, this is the same JJL who attacked me for no reason when I was still in the Academy. Our self-appointed galactic janitor as he was referred to at the time.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: josephine_r on February 17, 2015, 04:51:25 PM
What is this fussing?
When you get COM mission, is ALWAYS easy to win.  No challenge. Are you always wanting to win every battle? Where is the happy times, what story do you have to remember, why do you play?
When somebody drop COM on you, it make a challenge. It make life interesting.
I have less than 2M power ship. I have COM drop on me at Capella/Alpha. Odds change 9:7 to 4:15. I press open fire, then I jump back from safe zone and attack again. Then I win. Then I replace lost crew. Now I tell story. Game is fun.
Yes, nice If not happen. Yes, nice if one who drop is polite and say what did. If not, so what? You are not hurt. You lose time - in this game everything is wait wait wait. What is little more time? What is fuss?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 17, 2015, 07:36:03 PM
Concerning the Torh situation.  I consider that settled now. I jumped his cargo ship yesterday.  This was after the message from Raptor of course. Torh never did offer me a chance to face one of his COM ships though. I never actively sought him out. I happened to run into him where I was doing a COM. I saw his ship and his mines.  I could have destroyed his advanced mines there but I did not. I kept to my word about not destroying any of his mines/stations.  I told him when the incident happened what I would do if I saw one of his ships.  It is probably better for him it was just a mining ship. It will be cheaper to replace the crew on it then it might be had I trashed one of his COM ships. 


As for Raptor. He of all people should know better then to drop COMs. Especially on one his corp had an agreement with.  Did I hit him in his early days. I may have. I honestly don't remember. But hell I haven't been doing much in the way of janitor in a long time.  That was also before any sort of agreement was ever made. Fact is he should have watched what he was doing.  I haven't hit him yet though. I won't be actively hunting him either. But If I see a ship of his I can hit, I will hit it.


It is time people learn to check where they drop their COMs.  Obviously NAPs or any other sort of agreement that says not to drop COMs just isn't going to work. People are still getting COMs dropped on them.  It isn't just me it is happening to. It is happening to other players as well. So perhaps a nice kick in the  butt will work to teach people to watch what their doing.  It sure seems to be working with Torh now.  People may not like my methods but if it gets the proper results then so be it.   

As for the UC.  TGE is officially out of the UC now. I would like to keep my established NAPs in place and use the UC terms as NAP terms.  But I refuse to change my policy now on people laying COMs on me.  If Rostin or one of his cronies wish to come after me for what I am doing then feel free to.  Just leave the rest of my members out of it.  This is a personal policy of mine. Not a TGE policy.  Whether or not the COMs made things harder or not isn't the point at all.  It is the principal of the matter.  It is disrespectful to lay COMs on other people and can possibly interfere with the operations.  Rostin my advice to you is teach your people better.  Ensure they know to look first.   BTW your not the only player that takes in newer players. New players are always welcome in my Corp and we do provide Corp ships for them to use for COMs.  So far I haven't heard from anyone about any of my people laying COMs on others. Of course I do try to educate my people to watch where they are dropping COMs.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JoolzVern on February 17, 2015, 07:40:12 PM
I think part of the issue that's being missed is that Jam tries to hold himself to a high standard, and that includes holding his corp to a high standard as well. When he agrees they are not to drop coms at TGE, and he tells his guys not to do so, he tries to make sure they understand and will comply. When there's multiple violations of agreements to that effect and they are coming from the same corp that says something about that corp. I'm the same way, so if it were me I'd be wondering why you expect me to let your guys do something I wouldn't tolerate my guys doing and for which I would expect to be retaliated against.

Sure, you can make excuses about how they accept so many new guys(Raptor's not very new) so it's inevitable and how we need to just tolerate their handing powerful ships to new guys without giving them proper orientation and training but at the end of the day guys like Jam, (and myself) see Rostin as 'dropping the ball' in this area, compromising the corps standards to achieve his ambitious goals(like giving new guys com ships prematurely).

That said, mistakes happen and that may not be grounds for dissolving a NAP but if it violates that NAP then I see no reason to argue against retaliation to equalize the violation.

There's nothing wrong with giving a new guy a com ship but in my experience it's never wise to do so as a matter of course. Give them one when they're ready be it day one or day 300. When are they ready? When you've given them as much of that orientation/training as they need to avoid such mistakes and they want a com ship.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 17, 2015, 08:00:53 PM
Oh the great JoolzVern graces us with his presence once again!

Listen here you two, I tell my guys and gals every time we introduce them to COMs about how pirates stack on each other and how they NEED to check orbit before they launch an attack. It's not like Marcus did it out of ignorance, he simply misclicked. torh has been forced to learn the hard way, which is from a retaliatory attack, which in no way matched the severity of his mistake. James you are using these two mistakes as a convenient front to attack members of a peaceful corporation and it is unacceptable. And how can you say James holds his corporation to a higher standard when SPQNR is on track to surpass TGE in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE GAME IN THE NEAR FUTURE?

The propensity for their to be more slip ups from my corp MAY BE because we have almost twice as many members as any other corporation and most of those members have started doing COMs. You are noticing a "trend" from ONE individual (torh) who made a mistake (Marcus should not count because a misclick is different from ignorance of COM etiquette). So really because ONE SPQNR member out of 26 failed to fully understand the mechanics of COM missions on his first day of doing them you now think it is because I am a poor leader/teacher?... Get real. The only poor leaders I see in this game are the two of you.

Are you saying you two have never accidentally dropped a COM on someone before? I highly doubt that. I don't understand what has happened to you both where the friends I used to have in this game have become the biggest D-Bags. You both are worse than Dadds EVER was


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 08:10:10 PM
 " If Rostin or one of his cronies wish to come after me for what I am doing then feel free to.  Just leave the rest of my members out of it.  This is a personal policy of mine. Not a TGE policy.  "

That is exactly what s gonna happen. Let me spell it out for you: if you cause me more damage than the 4 QP I have with your name on it, I will hit you back until I feel the scores are level again, by my standards, as that seems to be an acceptable way of throwing all agreements out of the window to you.

That may escalate as far as YOU let things go. Hit back at me again, and I come back once more. Ad infinum. Not a threat, a matter of fact. I'm fine with leaving that between us rather than our corps, don't have a problem with any of your members, just with your hypocrite attitude.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 08:13:45 PM
Alternatively, you may get all of it out of your system right now and go to Zosma A1. The ship that dropped the COM on you is doing a mission right there (1,1), and hitting it now would cause aforementioned acceptable damage.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 17, 2015, 08:15:04 PM
Oh the great JoolzVern graces us with his presence once again!

Listen here you two, I tell my guys and gals every time we introduce them to COMs about how pirates stack on each other and how they NEED to check orbit before they launch an attack. It's not like Marcus did it out of ignorance, he simply misclicked. torh has been forced to learn the hard way, which is from a retaliatory attack, which in no way matched the severity of his mistake. James you are using these two mistakes as a convenient front to attack members of a peaceful corporation and it is unacceptable. And how can you say James holds his corporation to a higher standard when SPQNR is on track to surpass TGE in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE GAME IN THE NEAR FUTURE?

The propensity for their to be more slip ups from my corp MAY BE because we have almost twice as many members as any other corporation and most of those members have started doing COMs. You are noticing a "trend" from ONE individual (torh) who made a mistake (Marcus should not count because a misclick is different from ignorance of COM etiquette). So really because ONE SPQNR member out of 26 failed to fully understand the mechanics of COM missions on his first day of doing them you now think it is because I am a poor leader/teacher?... Get real. The only poor leaders I see in this game are the two of you.

Are you saying you two have never accidentally dropped a COM on someone before? I highly doubt that. I don't understand what has happened to you both where the friends I used to have in this game have become the biggest D-Bags. You both are worse than Dadds EVER was


You have told your people yet they seem to do it anyways.   You say you are bypassing it in every way.  Combined ship power really doesn't matter for poop on the high scores.  It never really did.  You surpassed us in numbers?  So what. You did that by recruiting a bunch of new people.  Their power increased? Yeah so? A lot of that is from giving them mods and ships to use. We give our people ships to use too. So it is no shock with your large number of members your corp rank has gone up as high as it has.  But what we have that you don't have is as much experience as we do.  We also hold ourselves to higher standards.  We don't go dropping COMs on people.  Have I accidentally done it in the past?  Yes I have.  I wouldn't have blamed the other person if they hit one of my ships for it too. It was a stupid mistake at the time and I haven't done it in a very long time.  Don't use your large number of members as an excuse for this happening though.  It is easy to educate every member about things.

As for our friendship. You threw that away when you completely disregarded our opinions on the Jake situation.  That is the thing that made me mad the most. First you asked.  Which is fine. But thing is the only ones opinion you even considered was Raph's. Not ours at all.  I found that very disrespectful. A real friend would have waited to get all our opinions and tried to talk things out.  Then when we were trying to work on a solution to prevent something like this from ever happening again I repeatedly had to deal with insults and disrespect from your members. This lead to me having to distance myself from the UC boards for a while to try to clear my head. Real life matters didn't help as much.  Between that and the game growing boring I started to log on less and less.  But I have come to the decision that I am done with the UC.  I am done with people dropping COMs on others.  Considering the fact many other players in the game seem to be having this happen to them, it seems to be a growing problem. Either some of your people are dropping COMs and not informing then people they do it too, or we got other people in other corps doing it.  Regardless something had to be done.  This is why I am instituting my new policy. It wouldn't be fair to just exclude one corp from  my new policy.  You want to consider what I am doing bad, then fine.  I didn't think you would like it anyways.  But it could be worse. At least I am not trying to actually hunt the people down. At least I am not going out destroying their stations and mines.  I am giving them a swift kick in the butt if I see them to remind them not to drop COMs on people. Personally I think more people need to adopt this same policy themselves.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JoolzVern on February 17, 2015, 08:16:29 PM
And how can you say James holds his corporation to a higher standard when SPQNR is on track to surpass TGE in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE GAME IN THE NEAR FUTURE? Gee maybe because he's not willing to have low standards just to be no1 in the numbers like you would.

The propensity for their to be more slip ups from my corp MAY BE because we have almost twice as many members as any other corporation and most of those members have started doing COMsDespite some being inexperienced and or irresponsible players that any decent corp leader would not have on the team or give a big com ship to just to inflate the corp. You are noticing a "trend" from ONE individual (torh) who made a mistake (Marcus should not count because a misclick is different from ignorance of COM etiquette). So really because ONE SPQNR member out of 26 failed to fully understand the mechanics of COM missions on his first day of doing them you now think it is because I am a poor leader/teacher?It was your responsibility, so if you disagree you're simply shirking your responsibility as leader... Get real. The only poor leaders I see in this game are the two of you. The thing is, you say that without anything to support that claim other than your ill-gotten gains in power from accepting anybody and giving them a huge com ship at the expense of everything else like responsibility or respect. That doesn't make you a good leader. I actually have logical factually correct reasons to say you are dropping the ball.

Are you saying you two have never accidentally dropped a COM on someone before? I highly doubt that. No and if I had, I'd expect retaliation especially if there was a NAP. I wouldn't expect someone to not beat me to a pulp just because I said "oopsie". I don't understand what has happened to you both where the friends I used to have in this game have become the biggest D-Bags. You both are worse than Dadds EVER was


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 08:20:49 PM
The whole idea of non-agression is that you sort things out in a civilised manner Joolz. Which is why I offered full compensation for an UNINTENTIONAL mistake. Until you understand that part, don't talk to anyone about standards.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 17, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
The whole idea of non-agression is that you sort things out in a civilised manner Joolz. Which is why I offered full compensation for an UNINTENTIONAL mistake. Until you understand that part, don't talk to anyone about standards.

The thing is it isn't about compensation.  It didn't hurt me in the slightest.  It is the principal of the entire matter.  An attack helps to remind people not do it again. Not likely to even be a costly one either.  There are people in the game where the only way they tend to learn is the hard way after all.   That said I am glad you and I are working this out. 


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JoolzVern on February 17, 2015, 08:46:38 PM
You can't compensate someone for a violation of your word intentionally or not. Until you understand that you will think saying 'oopsie' and monetary compensation makes up for a violation. It just doesn't. The whole "sorting things out in a civilized manner" comes before you break the NAP, not after. After a violation you generally have what's known as a war, and you guys are lucky TGE hasn't been so intolerant as to declare all out war.

Think about it. It's like if somebody accidentally urinated in your cereal(wrong bowl- honest mistake) after promising not to. It's not about the cereal and their offering a new box of cereal doesn't make up for that disrespect and is further insult. So don't be surprised or act like they're unreasonable when somebody rejects your 'compensation' for such an act after you broke a non-aggression pact.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 08:50:15 PM
You can't compensate someone for a violation of your word intentionally or not. Until you understand that you will think saying 'oopsie' and monetary compensation makes up for a violation. It just doesn't. The whole "sorting things out in a civilized manner" comes before you break the NAP, not after. After a violation you generally have what's known as a war, and you guys are lucky TGE hasn't been so intolerant as to declare all out war.

Think about it. It's like if somebody accidentally urinated in your cereal(wrong bowl- honest mistake) after promising not to. It's not about the cereal and their offering a new box of cereal doesn't make up for that disrespect and is further insult. So don't be surprised or act like they're unreasonable when somebody rejects your 'compensation' for such an act after you broke a non-aggression pact.

It must be great to live a faultless live. Please write a book on how to, I'll be your first customer. If you promise to sign it in person :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 08:50:52 PM
At any rate, Jam and I have agreed on a way to settle this, and from my part, I'll leave it at that.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 17, 2015, 08:57:50 PM
At any rate, Jam and I have agreed on a way to settle this, and from my part, I'll leave it at that.

and, that is good enough for the Empire...

Drop it and get on with getting on!


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JoolzVern on February 17, 2015, 08:59:43 PM
I never said I was faultless, just that it's all about being responsible. I expect that if I break an agreement to have a mark against me, and I intend to accept responsibility and the consequences, even if it's unintentional.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 17, 2015, 09:08:17 PM
Did you not see how I pointed out that the fault in my teaching was with ONE member?... ONE. This is not a trend. Marcus was a personal mistake and that can be dealt with between him and JJL; fine. I'll take responsibility for not making sure torh knew all of the rules with COMs, but retaliation via attack on his defenseless ship and modules is hardly reciprocal to his offense. It does not indicate a trend in lack of quality with me or my members when it is an isolated case with only one incidence.

Why don't you look at my members. Tell me who is so unworthy of being considered for recruitment by other corps. You're really going to rag on them by saying I'll "recruit anyone" and implying that my members; MY FRIENDS, are poop players? You've got some nerve... I have some of the best players in the f**k**g game. Maybe their power levels or experience doesn't show it, but their attitudes, dedication to teamwork, and fellowship sure do. We are a family and we won't sit here with thumbs up our asses while you take pot shots over mistakes.

I don't recruit like crazy to be #1 in membership. I recruit so that I can give everyone in this game a chance to be part of something bigger and to have a home here. SPQNR retention rate is great, everyone here has fun, and we get things done in our corp.

Just because someone accepts responsibility for their actions does not mean you can do whatever you want against them...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on February 17, 2015, 09:26:47 PM
At any rate, Jam and I have agreed on a way to settle this, and from my part, I'll leave it at that.

Would it be considered mean if I were to secretly wish for conflicts like this (or even all-out war) to liven the game up a bit?  :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 17, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
At any rate, Jam and I have agreed on a way to settle this, and from my part, I'll leave it at that.

Would it be considered mean if I were to secretly wish for conflicts like this (or even all-out war) to liven the game up a bit?  :)

No, it would be honest.  :))

 :gun_bandana:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 17, 2015, 09:31:53 PM
I warned torh what would happen if I saw one of his ship.  I was true to my word about not actually hunting him down or destroying any of his stuff.  I never specified what kind of ship I would hit.  Was it defenseless? Yes but I doubt it is that huge of a loss. Didn't get a lot from looting either.  So it's not like he took a huge loss.  I just gave him a kick in the butt like I said I would.  From now on I won't warn people it is coming.  If they drop a COM on me and I catch them, I don't care who they are, if I can hit a ship of theirs when I see it I will.  This is now my personal official policy when it comes to people dropping COMs on me.  I really don't care who likes this knew policy of mine. If they don't want me getting a hit if if I see them, then they better not drop a COM on me. It is that simple.  BTW I did see one of torh's other mines on another planet once and I chose not to hit them at all. My interest was merely a ship.  If I could have only directed my attack at his ship in this one I would have.


Raph I can understand and respect your opinion.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 17, 2015, 09:35:47 PM
At any rate, Jam and I have agreed on a way to settle this, and from my part, I'll leave it at that.

Would it be considered mean if I were to secretly wish for conflicts like this (or even all-out war) to liven the game up a bit?  :)

nope...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 17, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
So there is now no incentive for people to tell you if they accidentally drop a COM on you? Duly noted


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 17, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
There used to be but I am tired of this happening.  For all I know people the both of them could have done it on purpose and then apologized to try to get away with doing it.  Though cutting and running first would do it first.  But then no one would know who did it. So they could have done it to be bragging. Or it could have been an accident.  What I am doing now prevents that first possibility from ever happening and there are likely people in the game who might consider doing the first thing. Considering the fact I don't really trust you or most of your people anymore, I have trouble believing what they say. Especially since this is the 2nd time this has happened.   


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 17, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
JJ, in case I make that mistake in the future, please forgive me. It will be an accident and I'll try not to do it again.




(...there, the proper apology has been issued...)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 17, 2015, 09:45:42 PM
Could be said you will intentially do it now. Though I know you ment it as a joke. Also the odds of us bumping into each other even to do it are small. lol. So odds of you doing it aren't high, you do try to check your surroundings and should it happen, odds of me running into one of your ships when I am not looking isn't high. Hell I thought I wouldn't see any of torh's ships for months and then eventually forget about the whole thing. lol


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 17, 2015, 11:05:49 PM
Could be said you will intentially do it now(If you want to read that into my jape, then do so.. Though I know you ment it as a joke. Also the odds of us bumping into each other even to do it are small You have no idea how often I see you. Just because I don't always say hello doesn't mean that I don't see you.... lol. So odds of you doing it aren't high, you do try to check your surroundings and should it happen, odds of me running into one of your ships when I am not looking isn't high. Hell I thought I wouldn't see any of torh's ships for months and then eventually forget about the whole thing. lol


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on February 18, 2015, 03:46:31 PM
I feel like this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion...  Rostin I did say it was the start of a pattern, a start. Now if it doesn't happen again then that pattern is broken and goes no where and it doesn't matter, if it happens again then there is some reason to suspect it might not be coincidence all the time, that is all I meant. While I personally would have handled things differently than Jam is I don't fault him for it considering he is going out of his way to minimize the damage done to whomever drops a COM on him so that he is just sending a message and not taking advantage of this in order to deal some kind of massive blow to your corp or any of it's memebers.

Personally Raptor I can understand your situation. I would guess that the whole "jake" matter has made Jam much less inclined to take you at your word and I can't blame him for that considering how things went down. Trust is easy to lose and quite hard to gain. I will take your word for it, but certainly if it happened again I would think twice before doing so again given what went on. I hope you can understand what I mean.

Btw last I checked there is a lot more to a corp than just it's rankings. I would kindly ask that you refrain from saying that your corp will "surpass us in everyway" in the future Rostin as I take personal offense to that when you don't know what goes on in TGE. You want to pass us on the leaderboard that is fine, but don't go saying or should I say implying that the members of TGE aren't as good as your own corp. I understand things are getting a little heated but still, let us not go insulting people just because of that.

Torh, I guess there wasn't much of a history between you so my bad on that, it just seemed like there was from how Jam talked was all.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: lisunken on February 18, 2015, 09:05:27 PM
we need the updated to finish  :4: so we can see whom is drop com.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 18, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
I'm sorry, but what update will let us see that?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 18, 2015, 11:37:48 PM
I feel like this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion...  Rostin I did say it was the start of a pattern, a start. Now if it doesn't happen again then that pattern is broken and goes no where and it doesn't matter, if it happens again then there is some reason to suspect it might not be coincidence all the time, that is all I meant. While I personally would have handled things differently than Jam is I don't fault him for it considering he is going out of his way to minimize the damage done to whomever drops a COM on him so that he is just sending a message and not taking advantage of this in order to deal some kind of massive blow to your corp or any of it's memebers.

Personally Raptor I can understand your situation. I would guess that the whole "jake" matter has made Jam much less inclined to take you at your word and I can't blame him for that considering how things went down. Trust is easy to lose and quite hard to gain. I will take your word for it, but certainly if it happened again I would think twice before doing so again given what went on. I hope you can understand what I mean.

Btw last I checked there is a lot more to a corp than just it's rankings. I would kindly ask that you refrain from saying that your corp will "surpass us in everyway" in the future Rostin as I take personal offense to that when you don't know what goes on in TGE. You want to pass us on the leaderboard that is fine, but don't go saying or should I say implying that the members of TGE aren't as good as your own corp. I understand things are getting a little heated but still, let us not go insulting people just because of that.

Torh, I guess there wasn't much of a history between you so my bad on that, it just seemed like there was from how Jam talked was all.
Really? Why don't you tell that to your own leader Fenix, because he and Joolz both seem to think that I somehow recruit players of a lesser caliber than TGE does. I didn't say anything about TGE's members; I had said mine were the best because that is how a parent talks about its offspring. When I say "surpass" I mean in terms of total power, membership, tech, and all that. I don't think any player is worse than anyone else. You misunderstand my self-worth for undue criticism. The only people here I criticize are JJL and Joolz, and you have seen the hypocrisy and arrogance that they continue to project


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 19, 2015, 01:56:11 AM
we need the updated to finish  :4: so we can see whom is drop com.

Better still: an update that lets people do similar but separated COMs at the same spot...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 19, 2015, 11:19:41 AM
that would be nice, especially if we can pick our own 'firing order' (My ship #A can fight enemy ship #3, ship #B- ship#2, ship#D - ship #1, etc)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: torh on February 19, 2015, 11:29:23 AM
Sorry for the very long post but i wanted to respond to some of the messages posted on the forum since my last responce

Concerning the Torh situation.  I consider that settled now. I jumped his cargo ship yesterday.  This was after the message from Raptor of course. Torh never did offer me a chance to face one of his COM ships though. I never actively sought him out. I happened to run into him where I was doing a COM. I saw his ship and his mines.  I could have destroyed his advanced mines there but I did not. I kept to my word about not destroying any of his mines/stations.  I told him when the incident happened what I would do if I saw one of his ships.  It is probably better for him it was just a mining ship. It will be cheaper to replace the crew on it then it might be had I trashed one of his COM ships. 

good too here this situation is resolved

As for Raptor. He of all people should know better then to drop COMs. Especially on one his corp had an agreement with.  Did I hit him in his early days. I may have. I honestly don't remember. But hell I haven't been doing much in the way of janitor in a long time.  That was also before any sort of agreement was ever made. Fact is he should have watched what he was doing.  I haven't hit him yet though. I won't be actively hunting him either. But If I see a ship of his I can hit, I will hit it.

its very improbable that we have spoken before the only thing i could think of is an incedent on i read on the forum consurning a member of my previous corp (mirage) interfering in the PMI IMG war were you may have contacted me but i was already inactive at the time ( and by the way i got the leadership on an interim and keept it because no one wanted it i didnt actually run the corp) . And before i went on hiatus the only player i remember having regalar contact with and fought with is scion 

It is time people learn to check where they drop their COMs.  Obviously NAPs or any other sort of agreement that says not to drop COMs just isn't going to work. People are still getting COMs dropped on them.  It isn't just me it is happening to. It is happening to other players as well. So perhaps a nice kick in the  butt will work to teach people to watch what their doing.  It sure seems to be working with Torh now.  People may not like my methods but if it gets the proper results then so be it.   

i learned from my mistake and that is not because of you kicking me in the butt i established the procotol after i accidently dropped a com on you  i made them because i was sorry not because i was scared if i was i could have just parked my ships in deep space every evening. and my i say you treatening people doesnt really give them any insentive to agmit there mistakes in the future 

As for the UC.  TGE is officially out of the UC now. I would like to keep my established NAPs in place and use the UC terms as NAP terms.  But I refuse to change my policy now on people laying COMs on me.  If Rostin or one of his cronies wish to come after me for what I am doing then feel free to.  Just leave the rest of my members out of it.  This is a personal policy of mine. Not a TGE policy.  Whether or not the COMs made things harder or not isn't the point at all.  It is the principal of the matter.  It is disrespectful to lay COMs on other people and can possibly interfere with the operations.  Rostin my advice to you is teach your people better.  Ensure they know to look first.   BTW your not the only player that takes in newer players. New players are always welcome in my Corp and we do provide Corp ships for them to use for COMs.  So far I haven't heard from anyone about any of my people laying COMs on others. Of course I do try to educate my people to watch where they are dropping COMs.

 how is it disrespectfull to make an honest mistake? And me dropping a com on you is not a failure on rostin part it was a mistake on my part because i failed to check orbit ( a mistake from which i learned regardless of you treats) 
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I think part of the issue that's being missed is that Jam tries to hold himself to a high standard, and that includes holding his corp to a high standard as well. When he agrees they are not to drop coms at TGE, and he tells his guys not to do so, he tries to make sure they understand and will comply. When there's multiple violations of agreements to that effect and they are coming from the same corp that says something about that corp. I'm the same way, so if it were me I'd be wondering why you expect me to let your guys do something I wouldn't tolerate my guys doing and for which I would expect to be retaliated against.

i didnt intend to cause jam any harm i just made a mistake; and as this thread stats i has happen before where people just drop coms be it intentional or un intentional. we atleast had the honesty to inform jam of our mistake we could have just flow away and he would have know someone dropped it on him but have had no idea who i even offered him compensation for it   

Sure, you can make excuses about how they accept so many new guys(Raptor's not very new) so it's inevitable and how we need to just tolerate their handing powerful ships to new guys without giving them proper orientation and training but at the end of the day guys like Jam, (and myself) see Rostin as 'dropping the ball' in this area, compromising the corps standards to achieve his ambitious goals(like giving new guys com ships prematurely).

That said, mistakes happen and that may not be grounds for dissolving a NAP but if it violates that NAP then I see no reason to argue against retaliation to equalize the violation.

There's nothing wrong with giving a new guy a com ship but in my experience it's never wise to do so as a matter of course. Give them one when they're ready be it day one or day 300. When are they ready? When you've given them as much of that orientation/training as they need to avoid such mistakes and they want a com ship.

you cant fault rostin for giving me a  com ship  i was already in the proces of building one for my self so it could  have happen regardless of him giving me that ship maybe only latter 

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And how can you say James holds his corporation to a higher standard when SPQNR is on track to surpass TGE in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE GAME IN THE NEAR FUTURE? Gee maybe because he's not willing to have low standards just to be no1 in the numbers like you would.

The propensity for their to be more slip ups from my corp MAY BE because we have almost twice as many members as any other corporation and most of those members have started doing COMsDespite some being inexperienced and or irresponsible players that any decent corp leader would not have on the team or give a big com ship to just to inflate the corp. You are noticing a "trend" from ONE individual (torh) who made a mistake (Marcus should not count because a misclick is different from ignorance of COM etiquette). So really because ONE SPQNR member out of 26 failed to fully understand the mechanics of COM missions on his first day of doing them you now think it is because I am a poor leader/teacher?It was your responsibility, so if you disagree you're simply shirking your responsibility as leader... Get real. The only poor leaders I see in this game are the two of you. The thing is, you say that without anything to support that claim other than your ill-gotten gains in power from accepting anybody and giving them a huge com ship at the expense of everything else like responsibility or respect. That doesn't make you a good leader. I actually have logical factually correct reasons to say you are dropping the ball.

like rostin states above we have almost twice the members wish means we probably have more people doing com also on futher note it seems to me that both incedents took place in the first ring (if i remember correcly mine was at S/107 Piscium A1) wish is because i suspect most people run there coms in that ring  because its close enough to sol where you can trade the modules and resources you gain from these missions which would further increase the likely hood of encountering each other (please correct me if i am wrong) what i like to point out is that with the amount of com's running its probably inevatable thet we run into each other some time   

Are you saying you two have never accidentally dropped a COM on someone before? I highly doubt that. No and if I had, I'd expect retaliation especially if there was a NAP. I wouldn't expect someone to not beat me to a pulp just because I said "oopsie". I don't understand what has happened to you both where the friends I used to have in this game have become the biggest D-Bags. You both are worse than Dadds EVER was
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The whole idea of non-agression is that you sort things out in a civilised manner Joolz. Which is why I offered full compensation for an UNINTENTIONAL mistake. Until you understand that part, don't talk to anyone about standards.

The thing is it isn't about compensation.  It didn't hurt me in the slightest.  It is the principal of the entire matter.  An attack helps to remind people not do it again. Not likely to even be a costly one either.  There are people in the game where the only way they tend to learn is the hard way after all.   That said I am glad you and I are working this out. 
if it didnt hurt you why did you feel the need to hurt us. i didnt need you attacking me to remind me to check orbit  (i forgot because it was my first time i learned and havent made the mistake since)
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You can't compensate someone for a violation of your word intentionally or not. Until you understand that you will think saying 'oopsie' and monetary compensation makes up for a violation. It just doesn't. The whole "sorting things out in a civilized manner" comes before you break the NAP, not after. After a violation you generally have what's known as a war, and you guys are lucky TGE hasn't been so intolerant as to declare all out war.

sorry but we didnt intend to cause harm there for  we offered compensation. personally i think of a violation as doing something with intend ( i am not a legal expert so i dont know how it is defined in law) in this situation i did not intend to cause any harm to anyon (except the pirates in the com) but because i cause harm i offered compensation

Think about it. It's like if somebody accidentally urinated in your cereal(wrong bowl- honest mistake) after promising not to. It's not about the cereal and their offering a new box of cereal doesn't make up for that disrespect and is further insult. So don't be surprised or act like they're unreasonable when somebody rejects your 'compensation' for such an act after you broke a non-aggression pact.
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At any rate, Jam and I have agreed on a way to settle this, and from my part, I'll leave it at that.

Would it be considered mean if I were to secretly wish for conflicts like this (or even all-out war) to liven the game up a bit?  :)

nope it makes you honest
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There used to be but I am tired of this happening.  For all I know people the both of them could have done it on purpose and then apologized to try to get away with doing it.  Though cutting and running first would do it first.  But then no one would know who did it. So they could have done it to be bragging. Or it could have been an accident.  What I am doing now prevents that first possibility from ever happening and there are likely people in the game who might consider doing the first thing. Considering the fact I don't really trust you or most of your people anymore, I have trouble believing what they say. Especially since this is the 2nd time this has happened.   

if we did it on purpuse to cause you harm then why did we notify you we could have don it and be halfway to the new cluster ( manner of speaking) and you would have never know who did it. and why would we send you a message to brag wath would be the point of braging to you except to get  a prize on our heads. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. i dont expect you to trust me but i try to be honest when i make mistakes
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Could be said you will intentially do it now. Though I know you ment it as a joke. Also the odds of us bumping into each other even to do it are small. lol. So odds of you doing it aren't high, you do try to check your surroundings and should it happen, odds of me running into one of your ships when I am not looking isn't high. Hell I thought I wouldn't see any of torh's ships for months and then eventually forget about the whole thing. lol
as i stated in one of my above responses bumping in to one and other is likely more possible then you think.
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I feel like this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion...  Rostin I did say it was the start of a pattern, a start. Now if it doesn't happen again then that pattern is broken and goes no where and it doesn't matter, if it happens again then there is some reason to suspect it might not be coincidence all the time, that is all I meant. While I personally would have handled things differently than Jam is I don't fault him for it considering he is going out of his way to minimize the damage done to whomever drops a COM on him so that he is just sending a message and not taking advantage of this in order to deal some kind of massive blow to your corp or any of it's memebers.

i has certenly been blow out of proportion. sorry to say it but i dont agree has done everything to minimize the damage if he wanted to do that he could have just acceptend the Quantum Points i offered. why does he need to send a message by attacking me i understood very well from his response to my message that i made a huge mistake but its just that a mistake and i thank him that he didnt involve anyone else in this

Personally Raptor I can understand your situation. I would guess that the whole "jake" matter has made Jam much less inclined to take you at your word and I can't blame him for that considering how things went down. Trust is easy to lose and quite hard to gain. I will take your word for it, but certainly if it happened again I would think twice before doing so again given what went on. I hope you can understand what I mean.


Btw last I checked there is a lot more to a corp than just it's rankings. I would kindly ask that you refrain from saying that your corp will "surpass us in everyway" in the future Rostin as I take personal offense to that when you don't know what goes on in TGE. You want to pass us on the leaderboard that is fine, but don't go saying or should I say implying that the members of TGE aren't as good as your own corp. I understand things are getting a little heated but still, let us not go insulting people just because of that.

Torh, I guess there wasn't much of a history between you so my bad on that, it just seemed like there was from how Jam talked was all.

oke  but could you then next time refrain from making the suggestion that i wronged him before cause this caused me to question the truth fullnes of the claim that he was only doing this it to teach me a lesson and caused me to think that he was possibly going to take it further than a single attack
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we need the updated to finish  :4: so we can see whom is drop com.

we need an update that just makes that even if i do a com at the same location as other person that the missions dont effect eachother
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Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on February 19, 2015, 12:08:33 PM
Do not forget that sometimes, us big players (maybe also others) want to do more than one COM at the same place at the same time.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 19, 2015, 06:17:32 PM
I try to do multiple COM's at the same location at the same time whenever possible.

I have found that the timers on a COM, then COM mission takes longer than if I attack them both at the same time.

My biggest (so far) has been 3 nests and 2 hijackings in the same two attacks. I beat the hijackers and then a couple of looooooong hours later beat the nests.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 20, 2015, 12:46:28 AM
Wow, five birds with one stone!  :death: :death: :death: :death: :death:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 20, 2015, 10:51:53 AM
5 bird - 2 stone...
two different attacks (hijacking and then nest).
I have also beaten 15 ships with LOLLIPOP alone (172 hour timer)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on February 20, 2015, 03:18:05 PM
I feel like this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion...  Rostin I did say it was the start of a pattern, a start. Now if it doesn't happen again then that pattern is broken and goes no where and it doesn't matter, if it happens again then there is some reason to suspect it might not be coincidence all the time, that is all I meant. While I personally would have handled things differently than Jam is I don't fault him for it considering he is going out of his way to minimize the damage done to whomever drops a COM on him so that he is just sending a message and not taking advantage of this in order to deal some kind of massive blow to your corp or any of it's memebers.

Personally Raptor I can understand your situation. I would guess that the whole "jake" matter has made Jam much less inclined to take you at your word and I can't blame him for that considering how things went down. Trust is easy to lose and quite hard to gain. I will take your word for it, but certainly if it happened again I would think twice before doing so again given what went on. I hope you can understand what I mean.

Btw last I checked there is a lot more to a corp than just it's rankings. I would kindly ask that you refrain from saying that your corp will "surpass us in everyway" in the future Rostin as I take personal offense to that when you don't know what goes on in TGE. You want to pass us on the leaderboard that is fine, but don't go saying or should I say implying that the members of TGE aren't as good as your own corp. I understand things are getting a little heated but still, let us not go insulting people just because of that.

Torh, I guess there wasn't much of a history between you so my bad on that, it just seemed like there was from how Jam talked was all.
Really? Why don't you tell that to your own leader Fenix, because he and Joolz both seem to think that I somehow recruit players of a lesser caliber than TGE does. I didn't say anything about TGE's members; I had said mine were the best because that is how a parent talks about its offspring. When I say "surpass" I mean in terms of total power, membership, tech, and all that. I don't think any player is worse than anyone else. You misunderstand my self-worth for undue criticism. The only people here I criticize are JJL and Joolz, and you have seen the hypocrisy and arrogance that they continue to project

I don't have to tell Jam anything, he knows how I feel about things most of the time and honestly most of the time we have the same opinion about what goes on around AG. Even if I did tell him to lay off, whether or not he would listen to me is an entirely different matter. As for Joolz, he has his own way of doing things. We have talked before about how he handled past events and I know you remember that discusion, I don't really have anything further to say about him at this time.

The only thing I believe Jam and Joolz really meant about your members Rostin is that they are less experienced than the members of TGE and ITO, this is simply a fact. It most likely does contribute to mistakes like these being made, the more new players you invite the larger your corp becomes and there are more chances for these mistakes to happen. Over time that might result in your corp establishing a bad reputation. Personally I would do things differently but that is me and you are you. I believe that you can spread yourself too thin in this game (Much like Rome spread it's forces too thin and ultimately collapsed btw) and end up getting no where. I would take more time to develop the people you already have before taking in more new players that ultimately need more resources dedicated to them to help them develop. Honestly idk if TGE does recruit at all anymore, people just end up there through connections with Jam or somebody else, others apply because it is a powerful corp. As you know I ended up there from the former.

If you truly intended no disrespect toward the rest of us at TGE then as I said to torh, my bad. Things in here have been getting a little heated and I am not above getting emotional about it myself. Speaking of which, Torh I didn't really imply that you had wronged him I just thought that something had gone on between the two of you in the past which Jam didn't appreciate that is all. Obviously that either wasn't the case or Jam forgot/forgave it so again my bad on that.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 20, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
Let's toast to Galactic peace then

 :wine: :wine:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: torh on February 20, 2015, 04:52:04 PM

If you truly intended no disrespect toward the rest of us at TGE then as I said to torh, my bad. Things in here have been getting a little heated and I am not above getting emotional about it myself. Speaking of which, Torh I didn't really imply that you had wronged him I just thought that something had gone on between the two of you in the past which Jam didn't appreciate that is all. Obviously that either wasn't the case or Jam forgot/forgave it so again my bad on that.

no problem (i am not angry i just wrote the message at a moment i was rather frustrated about things in my personal life and i may or may not have com over angry) and on the subject of having history i resently managed to contact one of the old members of my old corp to verify if he knew any thing about us having had contact with jam before or even after i left and the only incedent he is aware of i some actions taken by a member by a player during the pmi Img war. since i was not active at the time  i dont think ( hope) jam doesnt hold this against me ( if he does i invite him i invite him to pm me too talk it out.


Let's toast to Galactic peace then

 :wine: :wine:

to peace


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 20, 2015, 05:15:47 PM
To peace...
But if Jam attacks my members again no one will stop me from hunting him down.
 :cheers: :bruce:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on February 20, 2015, 07:18:42 PM
Let's toast to Galactic peace then

 :wine: :wine:

 :2:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 20, 2015, 07:49:04 PM
To peace...
But if Jam attacks my members again no one will stop me from hunting him down.
 :cheers: :bruce:

to peace...

@Rostin, a toast of peace need not contain a threat...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 20, 2015, 08:57:14 PM
To peace...
But if Jam attacks my members again no one will stop me from hunting him down.
 :cheers: :bruce:

to peace...

@Rostin, a toast of peace need not contain a threat...
It's a two-way street Sargas. I won't be peaceful towards the enemies of New Rome should they continuously antagonize us


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 20, 2015, 09:12:50 PM
nobody is saying you can't...

I just think it seems a little hypocritical to toast peace when it includes a veiled threat.

Diplomacy...

Respect...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 20, 2015, 09:16:29 PM
It's not a veiled threat; it's just a condition of peace


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 21, 2015, 12:19:24 AM
making a condition to peace is not peace. it is intimidation.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 21, 2015, 01:07:49 AM
I disagree with your conclusion that my statement is unethical


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 21, 2015, 01:32:20 AM
I neither said nor meant that your stance was unethical.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 21, 2015, 02:04:22 AM
I neither said nor meant that your stance was unethical.
Yeah... I was trying to think of what word I meant and that was all I could come up with.
Point is; I desire peace above all else, but nobody should mistake my pacifism for weakness. One more attack and that is the third strike


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 21, 2015, 09:33:46 AM
I can understand that sentiment...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 25, 2015, 02:14:43 AM
To Rostin. As long as your people don't go dropping COMs on me I won't be attacking them.  It is as simple as that.  I am not trying to start a war.  If that is what I wanted I would pick a much better way to go about it.  War doesn't really even interest me. I have been getting plenty of aggression out of my way on Star Trek online lately. lol



To torh, my issue with mirage has nothing to do with your former corp.  mirage earned himself a special place on many of ours hit list a long time ago.  When it comes to personal issues, I try not to hold their corp responsible.   As for learning your lesson.  My warning of the possible hit helped you to realize how serious we take it and you made sure it never happened again. So you learned. Still I am a man of my word. So I had to go through with the attack when I saw your ship.  I consider us even on that matter.


As for Raptor.  I admit I have been going through a lot of emotional strain lately. When it happened I wasn't in a good mood as it was.  So I handled it badly.  But this policy of mine stands. Just cause it needs to. I am glad we resolved the issue though.  I did consider the QP a bit of an insult since QP paid doesn't always equal out to the amount they spent for the QP. Just cause exchanging it for solars you get a lot less then spend on solars to buy QP.   But hey that is the past now.  We resolved it and can move on.


Also Rostin I never ment to insult your corp itself.  But you do tend to accept just about anyone. While it is true I will give pretty much anyone a chance, I will cut them loose if they seem like they are complete idiots. In my experience in games you get a lot of those in the newbie bunch.  So when your actively recruiting from people who just join the game, the people at who have the potential to be really good  players can be hard to distinguish from the idiots.  So you tend to get both with that approach. Unfortunately with your approach it means mistakes do happen and it makes the rest of you look bad.  That is why I don't go with that approach.  I do have an idea though that could help you weed them out. It is something that was done in other games I played that worked well.  Have one of your people create a sister corp.  One designed to educate newbies and weed out the idiots.  That way when are ready they can move up the main alliance and are well trained decent players.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 25, 2015, 02:18:59 AM
Yeah, I thought about doing that while I was in the syndicate. Even suggested it to Raph once but after thinking it through I don't think it would be good for this game. I like the comraderie that develops from an "everyone's welcome" policy and I'd lose a lot of that if we had separate corps.
Also the corp ships and funds make that a very difficult implementation


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 25, 2015, 02:21:49 AM
Yeah, I thought about doing that while I was in the syndicate. Even suggested it to Raph once but after thinking it through I don't think it would be good for this game. I like the comraderie that develops from an "everyone's welcome" policy and I'd lose a lot of that if we had separate corps.
Also the corp ships and funds make that a very difficult implementation


That is understandable.  Pretty much everyone is welcome with us too. But idiots get shown the door. lol.  I wish you luck in dealing with the newbies though.   Also the sister corp thing could work if it was made apparent that their corp ships would remain lower in power. That would help a lot with the cost. 


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Rostin on February 25, 2015, 02:51:10 AM
I mean, I'm not opposed to kicking people out if they're assholes or if they do something really bad. But if they stay at 5k power their whole life and are fine with it and never talk to anyone that's fine by me


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on February 25, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
I mean, I'm not opposed to kicking people out if they're assholes or if they do something really bad. But if they stay at 5k power their whole life and are fine with it and never talk to anyone that's fine by me


If they are never going to progress though then they don't have much motivation to do much. I prefer my people to be able to be self efficient, and to be able to help out the corp should the corp need their help with something.   I don't ask much of my people other then to try to do well.  But I know if we had to pull together and help each other out we would be able to do so.  I like to know I can count on me people. Just as my people know they can count on me.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on February 25, 2015, 09:27:34 PM
I believe you meant self-sufficient Jam lol. Rostin, just saying man, over time you could end up carrying a lot of dead weight so to speak. I don't think expanding for new members is nearly as costly as new ship licenses but still I imagine if you keep it up there will come a time when you feel like it's time to cut some people that aren't doing anything. I mean I can understand wanting to keep folks regardless of their power but if they don't even talk to everyone else or at least a few people in your corp then I just don't see how that helps any with your comraderie and I don't see any point in keeping them around. I mean if they stay at 5k ship power and never talk to anybody then what exactly are they doing? That doesn't even sound like they would be playing the game to me.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on February 26, 2015, 02:18:45 AM
We don't HAVE people like that though. The atmosphere in New Rome is unique, unlike anything I've seen in games like this for a loooong time. A long long time.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on February 26, 2015, 10:03:06 AM
To Rostin. As long as your people don't go dropping COMs on me I won't be attacking them.  It is as simple as that.  I am not trying to start a war.  If that is what I wanted I would pick a much better way to go about it.  War doesn't really even interest me. I have been getting plenty of aggression out of my way on Star Trek online lately. lol



To torh, my issue with mirage has nothing to do with your former corp.  mirage earned himself a special place on many of ours hit list a long time ago.  When it comes to personal issues, I try not to hold their corp responsible.   As for learning your lesson.  My warning of the possible hit helped you to realize how serious we take it and you made sure it never happened again. So you learned. Still I am a man of my word. So I had to go through with the attack when I saw your ship.  I consider us even on that matter.


As for Raptor.  I admit I have been going through a lot of emotional strain lately. When it happened I wasn't in a good mood as it was.  So I handled it badly.  But this policy of mine stands. Just cause it needs to. I am glad we resolved the issue though.  I did consider the QP a bit of an insult since QP paid doesn't always equal out to the amount they spent for the QP. Just cause exchanging it for solars you get a lot less then spend on solars to buy QP.   But hey that is the past now.  We resolved it and can move on.


Also Rostin I never ment to insult your corp itself.  But you do tend to accept just about anyone. While it is true I will give pretty much anyone a chance, I will cut them loose if they seem like they are complete idiots. In my experience in games you get a lot of those in the newbie bunch.  So when your actively recruiting from people who just join the game, the people at who have the potential to be really good  players can be hard to distinguish from the idiots.  So you tend to get both with that approach. Unfortunately with your approach it means mistakes do happen and it makes the rest of you look bad.  That is why I don't go with that approach.  I do have an idea though that could help you weed them out. It is something that was done in other games I played that worked well.  Have one of your people create a sister corp.  One designed to educate newbies and weed out the idiots.  That way when are ready they can move up the main alliance and are well trained decent players.

"I did consider the QP a bit of an insult since QP paid doesn't always equal out to the amount they spent for the QP. Just cause exchanging it for solars you get a lot less then spend on solars to buy QP"

This sounds sorta strange coming from a player who uses QP as compensation for his own actions. The fact that it costs more to purchase QP than it does to sell should not enter the formula. I buy food and electronics for a lesser price than he seller's purchase price (and have sellers taking me up on it). Or is it the amount (a measly 4 QP) you find insufficient?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on February 27, 2015, 04:53:22 AM
We don't HAVE people like that though. The atmosphere in New Rome is unique, unlike anything I've seen in games like this for a loooong time. A long long time.

Well I wouldn't know, I was just going off of what Rostin said up there.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Fenix on March 02, 2015, 05:23:53 AM
Just had a COM dropped on me yesterday, of course it was in the 1st ring so I'm not super surprised but whoever it was up and left and didn't bother to message me about it. It wasn't a noob either as the odds went from well in my favor (20 to something) to 7:13. I still managed to complete it however it is still extremely annoying and very well could have resulted in me failing if the RNG decided to go less in my favor. Whomever it was that did it better not do it again and they better hope I don't find out who it was. Unless of course they would come forward and say something to me, I would much rather someone at least say something to me about it rather than just leaving, that really pisses me off.

I think from now on I'm just going to skip straight to the 4th ring with my ships, normally I pick up missions along the way but clearly there are people that are either idiots or trolls who enjoy annoying the rest of us closer to Sol...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on March 02, 2015, 06:24:12 AM
I've had people drop coms on me in the 1st ring at least 3 times. Just don't bother with them that close to Sol anymore.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: JamJulLison on March 03, 2015, 10:06:23 AM
To Rostin. As long as your people don't go dropping COMs on me I won't be attacking them.  It is as simple as that.  I am not trying to start a war.  If that is what I wanted I would pick a much better way to go about it.  War doesn't really even interest me. I have been getting plenty of aggression out of my way on Star Trek online lately. lol



To torh, my issue with mirage has nothing to do with your former corp.  mirage earned himself a special place on many of ours hit list a long time ago.  When it comes to personal issues, I try not to hold their corp responsible.   As for learning your lesson.  My warning of the possible hit helped you to realize how serious we take it and you made sure it never happened again. So you learned. Still I am a man of my word. So I had to go through with the attack when I saw your ship.  I consider us even on that matter.


As for Raptor.  I admit I have been going through a lot of emotional strain lately. When it happened I wasn't in a good mood as it was.  So I handled it badly.  But this policy of mine stands. Just cause it needs to. I am glad we resolved the issue though.  I did consider the QP a bit of an insult since QP paid doesn't always equal out to the amount they spent for the QP. Just cause exchanging it for solars you get a lot less then spend on solars to buy QP.   But hey that is the past now.  We resolved it and can move on.


Also Rostin I never ment to insult your corp itself.  But you do tend to accept just about anyone. While it is true I will give pretty much anyone a chance, I will cut them loose if they seem like they are complete idiots. In my experience in games you get a lot of those in the newbie bunch.  So when your actively recruiting from people who just join the game, the people at who have the potential to be really good  players can be hard to distinguish from the idiots.  So you tend to get both with that approach. Unfortunately with your approach it means mistakes do happen and it makes the rest of you look bad.  That is why I don't go with that approach.  I do have an idea though that could help you weed them out. It is something that was done in other games I played that worked well.  Have one of your people create a sister corp.  One designed to educate newbies and weed out the idiots.  That way when are ready they can move up the main alliance and are well trained decent players.

"I did consider the QP a bit of an insult since QP paid doesn't always equal out to the amount they spent for the QP. Just cause exchanging it for solars you get a lot less then spend on solars to buy QP"

This sounds sorta strange coming from a player who uses QP as compensation for his own actions. The fact that it costs more to purchase QP than it does to sell should not enter the formula. I buy food and electronics for a lesser price than he seller's purchase price (and have sellers taking me up on it). Or is it the amount (a measly 4 QP) you find insufficient?


Times when I have given QP back as compensation, It is usually a larger amount that would actually cover a lot of the cost if converted to solars. So it cost me more in the long run for that.   Also keep in mind for me this wasn't about loss or anything. It was the principal of the matter. The reason I felt insulted was because at the time he didn't seem to understand that and thought it was about solars and offered a very small amount.  But hey its over now.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on September 21, 2016, 08:34:39 PM
Some one dropped a mission on my own at ASU 975 G1. Just a reminder to check before starting a new mission.

thx

Mata


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on September 22, 2016, 12:02:27 PM
An other was dropped on me in LTZ 1568 A1. not very powerful but not a newbie. Take care guys :(


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on September 22, 2016, 07:43:18 PM
How strong was his COM?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on September 22, 2016, 08:02:30 PM
First is 1 mil and the other one 500K (biggest ship)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on September 22, 2016, 11:13:04 PM
 :21:

Guess I'm lucky it didn't happen to me recently.  :))


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on September 22, 2016, 11:22:07 PM
It is more of a nuisance but I posted it to remind captains to be careful. It had happen 2-3 times to our members last week.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: lavis on September 29, 2016, 01:59:52 PM
It is for sure not me, however I am part of SSS and have 40m power ships with coms over 30m power. We also have a few more who are even much stronger than me. I recently had a person from SPQNR put a looter ontop of my looter and he message me to say sorry, it was no problem I was able to do both looters at same time easily at 25m power, and I message him back to claim his reward.

But anyways I am very careful about checking surface before I drop any coms


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on September 29, 2016, 03:10:00 PM
lavis: I am also very careful before starting a mission and sometimes I make an error. I did not intend to blame anyone but only to remember to be, like you are, careful. I have not had any missions dropped on my missions since the 2 mentioned above. Then my post was successful :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on October 27, 2016, 09:30:39 PM
an other one:

Epsilon 61 Virginis
 
    Neptune's Gold   961318
    Dragon's Poison Plague   948080
    The Awful Hangman   923655
    Purple Fiend   914168
 
Protected forces
    Hijacked ship   94230

on site:    [ITO] outerposse
              ship Boot 6


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on October 29, 2016, 12:35:43 AM
So, got any feedback from ITO?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on October 29, 2016, 03:04:15 AM
Not yet


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on October 29, 2016, 06:50:06 AM
Same thing happened to me a while ago too and the COM power was around this level.

I'm on site and started an attack timer.

This has to stop.



Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on October 29, 2016, 10:40:42 AM
Is ITO still around? I noticed a few ships of captains (not just ITO) I'm certain that left the building long ago. First ring and home Q only of course, after nova. Confusing because sometimes I wonder if they're waiting in line to start a mission.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on October 29, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
He responded fairly quickly after I started the timer. He answered "Was bring more power" when asked why he dumped his COM over Mata's.

Not sure what he means. LOL


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on January 14, 2017, 08:59:44 PM
The next captain I will catch dumping COMs over mine will pay with blood.  :4:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on January 14, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
We had 2 drop on us this week, one today over JimGalaxy of 14 mil power. I am sick of it, I am very much tempted to declare war to the next we can catch on the fact...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: RegnadKcin on January 15, 2017, 05:05:14 AM
I've had one dropped on me recently, too... station COM, only about 7M power. No one else around, and the Worm Hole Detectors are of no use (as usual).
(Well, two dropped actually... but the second time it was an accident and apologized for)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on January 17, 2017, 06:44:49 AM
I had a couple dropped on me since the turn of the year. One one an H2L3 that already came very close to the 60-day auto-cleanup WITHOUT the dropped mission. I managed to complete it less than 48 hours before losing the entire setting. A $250M loss would've been enough to ask the New Roman Senate to declare war on the as yet unidentified culprit.


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: ESC01 on January 17, 2017, 08:15:09 AM
Hi guys:
I can clearly see the headache  that it causes .I enjoy mining a lot but as I get more and more into com missions I make more money in that than mining.
Its just start out small and work our way upward.I was doing a small com mission of 8mil(to me that's a lot) I was doing ok intill I like 4 hrs intill done .Than someone from alliance name withheld !!! drop in with me my odds was against me than .I JUST DROPED THe com mission and let the player have it all !!
That to me is sad!!
I was told from my old alliance to always check to see if anyone is doing com mission before activating a com mission...
Any way I have scout and scouting Sol Cluster for abandoned com missions..
more or less cleaning up left overs...


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: kurama on January 20, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
There must be a way that the spawning COM signals that we pickup generates missions that doesn't lead to the same planetary orbits, it will clearly fix the missions overlapping each other, yet the same way that players cannot stack COM missions on top of existing ones, OR.....IF one player activates a COM mission the orbit will lock down from other missions, means other players cannot activate a COM mission on the orbit where already existing mission is already running, he can wait though until the orbit is clear again.

OR, there is a special deplorable station that can lock a star from other players entering that star system. something called  "sovereignty claiming station", where it becomes a Corp  territory. where each Corp is allowed 1 and only 1 o this special star claiming station. This will allow a corp to obtain a non-permanent star system as territory since there are star nova cycle, this special station is not deplorable within the home quadrant and the explored regions (1st ring quadrants)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Matamaure001 on January 21, 2017, 12:39:52 AM
kurama: you bring interesting idea. To lock the planet or moon would not work because some captains want to stack missions to make more solars. As to locking a complete system I always opposed it because I want to be able to start a mission everywhere. Be sure that I check before starting missions to see if someone else is there. I always said that I would go to war if needed to defend that principle (free access to any system).


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: sargas on January 21, 2017, 09:13:57 AM
kurama, JJL introduced that concept in the now defunct Galactic Council. It was denied.

the only way to protect anything in the game is to defend it with military power. there are MAU fortresses available to deploy some serious manpower to a slot on the rocky surfaces. ships and stations for the gas giants.

the Empire regards stacking of foreign COM's to be an act of war and when we have time, we will smite thee (royal thee, not you personally).


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on January 24, 2017, 05:03:58 AM
Guys, if you know for sure who dropped a COM over yours and his/her ship is still in orbit, pm me. I will attack him for free. :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on February 12, 2017, 06:21:13 AM
If someone dumped a COM over mine and a non-SSS ship is in the same orbit, I will attack first and ask questions later.  :4:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on February 12, 2017, 06:31:49 AM
Have to wait almost 3 more days now because of the extra COM.

Ship in orbit attacked.

We have to start addressing this problem somehow.  :gun_bandana:


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: raphael on March 22, 2017, 10:31:55 PM
To the one who dropped 4 COMs over Epsilon Eta Cassiopeiae, you may now claim your bounty.

And if I find out who you are, your corp will be massacred. :)


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: RegnadKcin on March 23, 2017, 04:47:30 AM
Had a number of small ones dropped on me recently, and a larger one at S/HD 4628 B1... I've spotted a couple of big "abandoned" ones as well. Someone getting bored?


Title: Re: COM missions drop over existing COM
Post by: Raptor on April 01, 2017, 11:57:56 AM
To the one who dropped 4 COMs over Epsilon Eta Cassiopeiae, you may now claim your bounty.

And if I find out who you are, your corp will be massacred. :)

FOUR coms? There's nothing accidental about that.
Which power level was that?