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The way I see it is:


Emobearz is liable for the items he contracted for (ie 4 AES MK ***) at a cost of 37,358 diamonds. The Empire is issuing a bill for 3735 diamonds (to cover legal fees) resulting in a total of 33,633 diamonds.  For a fee, the Empire will arrange payment scheduling.

Since the Empire does not dictate Galactic Law, there is nothing we can do about the other allegations except censure him. We have. This is a matter for the galactic community to decide. We will permit his harassment for 6 months (half of what you told him) as part of his Redemption.  After such time you may face my wrath.

The Empire finds no reason to expel any of its members.

This topic is now open for discussion.

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"I can only assume AG is so uninteresting to you these days, spicing it up with a bit of war is the only way to keep your interest. That's ok, we could come to a mutual skirmish agreement. There was no need to keep us on a leash for almost 2 months. Or to basically insult us by saying roughly a sixth of our claim is justified. So the rest is bull? You saw the statement by the game creator himself_1.1. Captain 5274 either stole the lot, or nothing at all. Or we're a bunch of evidence forging cheats. ₁

You might as well start blowing me away right now instead of waiting six months, because regardless of how Darrell reacts, captain 5274 will remain on my KOS list until full compensation has been paid. As for legal fees... lol, let's talk about interest first.₂

We didn't and don't seek war with anyone else in EOS. I speak for myself when I say I will not attack any member of your corp until fired upon. If it IS a matter of spicing up the gane for yourself: let me offer you a 2 v 2 deal (or 2 v 1 if Darrell's not interested_3.1): you and convict 5274_3.2 v me/us, regardless of in which corp anyone is, and leaving all other corp members of either side outside it. Anyone else can provide all the intel they want, I'm not naive enough to believe it wouldn't happen anyway, but actual permitted combat is between the 4 people I mentioned. That way, everyone else can move on."₃


1. Is this an issue of how long the Imperial investigation took place, or an issue of the result.
1.1 The Empire received no information regarding this topic from the game creator, only hearsay from other parties.

2. I was wrong about that, and I apologize.  The 37,+++ diamond payment is correct and the fee will be paid by the Imperial citizen himself. As far as interest is concerned, I am sorry for not thinking about that myself. I propose an additional 374 diamonds (.01%) per month interest. And again, I wish to remind you of the fee for the scheduling of payment.

3. I have already stated that the Empire cannot enforce a galactic law that doesn't exist. And again I ask for you to go to the galactic community for resolution of this topic. The only thing I could do was expel him from the Empire, and there was not enough evidence presented to me to make that determination. I felt I had to drag information out of all parties in order to make any sense of this subject.
3.1 Do not bring the judge into any conflicts regarding his decision.
3.2 'convict'? I demand you show me a court document that has convicted him.

here is a counter proposal:

Although the entire theft must be paid for, We will accept the 37,358 diamonds as payment of the first 4  AES-D valued $65,376,000.

This will start a cease fire that will last as long as regular payments for the balance is made.

The remaining modules to be paid for will then be:
$228,816,000 for   14 remaining AES-D (Advanced Electromagnetic Shield) out of 18 stolen.
$18,110,000 for   10-TAP-D (Titanium Armor Plate)
$2,400,000 for   1-CDR-M
$8,113,500 for   15-WHG-XXX
$1,156,680 for   9-FTL-XXX
$5,561,600 for   44-CAB-C
$253,860 for   1-ACB-XXX (Advanced Cargo Bay)
$11,004,000 for   12-SLB-C
$275,415,640    total remaining. we will discount this by $1M solars per day. for the days in active hunting mode. (since Aug 24th) If captian 5274 returns any of the modules, that will also reduce the amount owed by the value of the modules returned.
  
I suggest 4 equal payments every 30 days. If there is a problem with getting enough diamonds we will accept other materials, such as mossinite at $1,500/M3.

Actually, I'd rather have my damned CDR-M back. They take FOREVER to build. And, since that cowardly thief is going to hide in safe zones, he isn't going to NEED it.

Until I can get evidence of his being in control of the ship 'stockpile', only the AES and TAP modules are in consideration. For those 'other materials' is concerned, one diamond is worth 175 iron or 1.4 moissinite. Where do you want to pick up your iron?

You CONVENIENTLY delayed more than 14 days before asking for your first piece of evidence,  KNOWING that the originals were no longer in system than decided that only originals were acceptable. EVEN THOUGH YOU KNEW THE ORIGINALS WERE NO LONGER ACCESSIBLE.

It has been 72 days since the theft took place, and who out of the other 4 executive council officers assigned captain 5274 command of stockpile is unknown after such a long delay. Who assigned him the stockpile is irrelevant. As the bigger attachment shows, 82 modules were sent to captain 5274's ship storage #244234 on the same day that captain 5274 also transferred 28 modules to the same ship, left SPQNR and joined the SSS.

As the attached cargo logs show, three different ship transfers to the same ship, storage #244235 Total modules transferred:
18 AES-D (Advanced Electromagnetic Shield) *** 10-TAP-D (Titanium Armor Plate) *** 1-CDR-M *** 15-WHG-XXX *** 9-FTL-XXX *** 44-CAB-C *** 1-ACB-XXX (Advanced Cargo Bay) *** 12-SLB-C.

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"You CONVENIENTLY delayed more than 14 days before asking for your first piece of evidence,  KNOWING that the originals were no longer in system than decided that only originals were acceptable. EVEN THOUGH YOU KNEW THE ORIGINALS WERE NO LONGER ACCESSIBLE.

...It has been 72 days since the theft took place, and who out of the other 4 executive council officers assigned captain 5274 command of stockpile is unknown after such a long delay. Who assigned him the stockpile is irrelevant...."  


What 14 day erasure of evidence do you refer?  The forum is only gossip and hearsay.

Corporate logs go back longer than that. EoS logs start in October, 2014. I can tell you who had control of which ship and who assigned it to him at any time between then and now.

I can now only assume that someone is being protected. I am now looking at culpability. Was this a conspiracy involving other New Rome members (and if so, what percentage is my citizen responsible for)?

Factory 1 - Ship cargo log
Ship cargo log (last 14 days):
How do I access the ship cargo log from more than 14 days ago???

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   darrellK    [Edit message]     [Message]    11-Sep-2015 07:04:36
This is the last message I see, from 14 days ago. How do I access the corp board from more than 14 days ago???

I stand corrected on the corp activity log, I presumed that since other things ended at 14 days the activity log did as well. As I am no longer with SPQNR, will need to send a PM to them to be able to find out, hopefully we shall have an answer to you shortly.

 

I already provided that data myself when I was still Consul of New Rome... at times like this I detest the lack of an outbox/sent items box even more.

Go to your  Corporate Board Page. (You may have to ask New Rome to access theirs). Click the 'Corporate Activity Logs' button. That will show you a long list of corporate activity (including Corp Ship assignments)...


...but, then again...

...probly shouldn't help the prosecution...

new quote from the other place:


1. I will ask "Did you take the 14 AES and 10 TAP for your own use?"  I will not ask him about an item that may or maynot have been given to him. How did he get access to that particular ship?

As per my PM to you explaining this in detail when still in New Rome, SPQNR operates a 2-ship corp transfers policy. People who build modules for corp sale, place them on one of the transfer ships, so the receiving captain can take them and leave payment (commonly in the form of diamonds) on the same vessel. There's no fixed order in which these acts take place. It can be modules first, payment in return, or the other way around, up to the captains. There'd never been a breach of trust in SPQNR before and this captain had been a member for over 3 months. SPQNR has 4 executive council members (5 in times of war) with the ability to transfer corp ships. It's not uncommon for people to hold both transfer ships at the same time (building high mk modules, especially MAU, takes a lot of cargo space as you know).

Our biggest mistake at the time, was that corp permissions allowed people of 5274s rank to actually DELIVER items in production to the cargo bay as well (not that creating an opportunity is a valid legal excuse to steal). I'm doing this from memory now as I don't have access to the corp logs since I'm not in SPQNR anymore. He used AP to speed up the CDR-M, and just delivered the AES-Ds that were done producing but hadn't been delivered to the cargo hold yet. For the rest, he cleared out the entire cargo bay, including tons of lower mk starter modules we had on standby for new recruits. He then left SPQNR and jumped ship to another corp, leaving a taunting departure message.

Incidentally, the logs, the message and the confirmation from Sir Emi that 5274s account wasn't hacked, were enough evidence for the Senate to pirate list 5274, which is both a de facto and a de jure conviction. Hence the convict 5274 tag. The crime took place while he was in SPQNR, on SPQNR territory (its ships), so by default under SPQNR jurisdiction. That answers the question on who is to enforce galactic law. We would've enforced it on the basis of the Senate decision to pirate list 5274, if it wasn't for the UC agreemeent. That made me place a Consular order against executing the verdict while 5274 is in EOS. You know the rest of the timeline I assume.

Given my previous post, I strongly request the original question be answered, and be answered by the captain in question, in this very forum.


"Did you, or did you not take the list of items specified (plus the combat drive that despite us knowing it too was stolen but through an administrative failure failed to make the list) to yourself and your emperor?"

Will this suffice to answer how the cowardly thief got access?

A big question I have for you: Why won't you answer raptor/Marcus's question? Why won't you ask captain 5274 ([EOS] Ridd1ck) "Did you or did you not take over 100 modules from SPQNR corp ships without paying for them before leaving the SPQNR?"

Posted by Sargas on: September 25, 2015, 09:24:11 PM: I can now only assume that someone is being protected. Yes, captain 5274 is being protected by sargas, captain (#572) I am now looking at culpability. Look in a mirror. Was this a conspiracy involving other New Rome members absolutely not (and if so, what percentage is my citizen responsible for)? all 100%

Up till now, I have considered you (sarges) a gullible fool, and blameless. I no longer believe that you are either gullible or blameless.
1. You have used delaying tactics for more than 2 months.
2. You rejected all evidence presented to you.
3. If you had asked captain 5274 "did you steal over 100 modules from the SPQNR and he had said no, you would be "shouting that from the rooftops". Which leaves only two possibilities.
A. You had asked captain 5274 if he was guilty of theft and he confirmed it, which would make you, sargas, also guilty, an "accessory after the fact."
B. You refuse to ask captain 5274 the question, "did you steal from the SPQNR" either because I) you believe him guilty of theft, or II) you have zero common sense.

Personally, I believe 3.A. the most likely, 3.B.II. the least likely. Let me spell it out.

I believe it is most likely that captain 5274 has confirmed to you that he stole more than 100 modules from the SPQNR and are protecting him for reasons of your own. I believe it least likely that you have zero common sense.

A question you need to ask yourself: Is protecting a known thief worth going to war over?

Although we do not seek war, JMF does believe that obtaining justice from a thief is very very VERY IMPORTANT.

We both believe that your actions, are NOW just one step below an act of war, therefore, any attack against any JMF ship or asset by ANY [EOS] captain EXCEPT captain #5274 will be considered as proof that the Empire Of Sargas has declared war against the JMF, and we will act accoringly.

So fulfil raptor/marcus's post, ask captain 5274 (ridd1ck, he changed his name) the question: Did you, or did you not take the list of items specified (plus the combat drive that despite us knowing it too was stolen but through an administrative failure failed to make the list) and post the answer here

Raptor tells me that he sent the answer to your question before JMF corp existed (created in response of you delaying tactics and other actions before we left the SPQNR) and the fact that you repeatedly refuse to answer raptor's question and you repeatedly call anything presented to you hearsay, look to yourself for culpability, Sargas.

In addition, until you comply with raptors request, any compromise will not be considered, by the JMF. You can ignore my counter proposal Posted on: September 25, 2015, 07:39:31 PM

thanks Nick

After digesting the latest evidence, there still is not enough to expel the citizen.

There will be no further discussion while payment negotiations are being held.

Thank you for your patience.

negotiations complete...



...we now return you to your normal activities...

Yes, the Emperor and us have come to a mutual satisfactory agreement that settles this matter and restores Galactic peace.

I am out of this.  If any other captain other than marcus or darrell have a desire to share in the settlement, they need to negotiate with m&d themselves.

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