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So EOS, are you willing to give up your alliance with SSS because of Madden?

Just to freshen up everyone's memory: http://forum.astro-galaxy.com/index.php/topic,9258.msg76933.html#msg76933 (http://forum.astro-galaxy.com/index.php/topic,9258.msg76933.html#msg76933)

SSS stations and assets were destroyed, ships attacked, and COMs were interrupted in the past, so I won't let this go.

This is unfortunately not a negotiation.

I just want to know: will you let him go or let him stay?

If you're looking for a fight with EoS, might as well say it upfront instead of trying to find small, insignificant excuses to start a war.

I became a member of SITH, but I did not do much while there and was mostly inactive as there was a big war happening in another game I played. I'm quite sure I have not attacked any SSS entities during that time. Hell, my 400k power ships would not be able to attack your stations. You must be confusing me with Morgan's pirate raids (which you brushed off as not having any effect on you, anyway).

I hope you reconsider your stance on this.

I see nothing in your quoted evidence that Madden did anything to the Syndicate (only New Rome).

If I see Morgan still a part of EOS within the next 48 hours, I will assume that you will let him stay for good.

Morgan is not a member of the Empire.
The corporation named Sith is gone.
Your war is over.
Madden is not Morgan.

And yes, I do require you to back your words with proper evidence. (I am not going to just take your word, I will need evidence from all involved.)

So far you have not provided me a reason to question Imperial Citizenry.

As you can read in lavis' post in the link of my first post above (http://forum.astro-galaxy.com/index.php/topic,9258.msg76933.html#msg76933 (http://forum.astro-galaxy.com/index.php/topic,9258.msg76933.html#msg76933)):


and I replied:


That's the best proof I can offer right now that we had been hunting SITH, and during that time Madden became a member of SITH. SITH at that time was waging wars against all top corps, so when Madden joined, he too participated in SITH's attacks, and he too took attacks from us. Additionally, Madden was active in the forum, so there's no way he couldn't have known that we were at war with SITH, yet he still joined. That means that he willingly accepted the fact that he will become a target. He willingly accepted the fact that all top corps will be going after him. It's silly to assume that "hello all top corps, i know sith caused a lot of damage, and i know you are all going after them but i'm gonna join them anyway. so you won't attack me, right? plz don't." :))

There should be other forum threads out there that will support my claim, but it's too bothersome to look for them now.  :))

A war is only over if there is a proof that the enemy surrendered. If Madden makes a public apology and pays restitution, he can start clean. Otherwise SSS will continue hunting him until the end of times. Previous SSS enemies were too proud to genuinely, publicly surrender, and if he's like them, better play with a new account and forget the old one.  1m power can be achieved in about two weeks. :)

What a joke. Firstly, you did not win the war. You barely had the chance to attack SITH entities because Morgan was only used hit and run tactics. We did not have stations anywhere, and our ships were either in deep space or Earth orbit. I believe SITH actually caused more property damage to SSS thanks to Morgan's raids. You definitely did not win the war and could have lost lots more if Palpatine didn't go inactive.

Also, on that post you linked, I said this:


I think it's quite clear now that I did not participate in the war at all and did my own thing. I did not participate in any attacks at all, and I am very sure you did not attack any of my stuff because my stations were destroyed by SPQNR people less than 12 hours after I got kicked out of the corp. At the time SITH seemed like the only reasonable corporation to join because SPQNR had claimed I was a spy, and what other corporation would actually accept me with that pile of lies on the board?? I was also a little angry with SPQNR at that time, and thought SITH would provide me a good avenue to get revenge.

But things are different now, it's been so many months and honestly I'm okay towards SPQNR now. Morgan already left SITH, Palpatine has been inactive for months.

I still maintain that I played no active part in SITH's silly guerilla-style war, and will not issue any apology to you nor pay restitution.

Funny how you said this in another thread:


And now you seem to remember everything so clearly. How convenient for you.   :)

Palpatine went inactive because he realized it was all futile.   :))

WTF Madden? :D :D :D

You got offered the mother of all Get Out of Jail Free cards (" If Madden makes a public apology and pays restitution, he can start clean. Otherwise SSS will continue hunting him until the end of times"), yet a post later
you do the exact opposite and talk up the Sith's pathetic efforts, notably speaking of them as "We did not have stations anywhere, and our ships were either in deep space or Earth orbit".

I will openly admit a misjudgement on my behalf: I have, in recent days, at least twice voiced my feeling that I believed you fancied a genuine shot at redemption, in which case there'd be no better place for you than in the Empire. Instead, you're still the same disturbance agent you were in New Rome. I'm glad we removed you, and I would hate to see your antics cause an all-out war between our two biggest allies.

Raptor, I sent you an in-game PM.

I use the term "we" and "our" because I was indeed their member during the time of the war. I don't associate myself with them anymore.

When I know I'm innocent, I won't admit even if that means I get a Get Out Of Jail Free Card. I have not wronged Raphael in any way.

Madden, you are making this matter very difficult for the Empire.

I am sargas and I speak for the Empire.

Please do not add fuel to this fire.

To his credit, he did so by taking it to a PM.
I, too, shall withdraw from this topic, as like I said, the last thing I want to see is two very valued allies at each others' throat.

failed LLAP attempt -> \//

Madden may apologize, how large a bribe do you have in mind?

He already said that he won't pay restitution, so unless he changes his mind and states that he genuinely wants peace, answering your question will bring us nowhere.

I'm not sure why you're putting an effort on his behalf. We should be wary of people who don't stay loyal to their corp. :))

Letting him easily off the hook is a bad precedent. If someone plans to go against SSS, he has to know that all SSS wars had the same outcome: complete SSS victory. I won't allow him to get even a tiny bit of present-day gain from going against SSS in the past. Going against SSS must result in a huge loss, thus the public apology and restitution. Why? Coz deterrence is the only true road to lasting peace.  :)

Okay, fine, I'll pay if the sum is acceptable. Name your price.

red above signifies my response

again, how large a bribe do you suggest?

(You required my attention when you first addressed to the Empire (with a veiled threat) this very subject)
--> I only wanted your attention about letting him stay or not. Nothing else. There will be no negotiation as long as EOS is harboring him. Again, the only attention I need from you in this thread is whether EOS will continue harboring a known enemy of SSS. Other topics can be discussed in other threads. Deadline will have a last and final extension of 24 hours. After that, I will lock this thread!

(there are precedents in place)
--> You're wrong. This was different. SSS officially declared war, and it's documented in it's own thread in the forum. This required my special attention because SITH did more damage to my members than other previous enemies.

I accept the deadline of 24 hours (ending a little after 8pm EDT).


This is not an attempt at negotiation. I am trying to find out how much retribution you wish him to pay.

You made the offer of an apology and payment of retribution.

I need to know how much so we can end this.

Good, you haven't closed this yet.
It gives me the opportunity to say what I feel needs to be said.

First, the issue with Madden is now a moot point.

I wish to address the way I found out about your objection. We are both supposed to be friends and allies. Why do I have to read about this issue in my morning newspaper? You know how to reach me privately.

This was a very intimidating post (it caused some concern among the citizenry). It read (to both me and the citizens) as an 'or else' order.

Then there was no talking to you about it.

All I demand of you, AT THIS TIME, is a list of those who you decree cannot become members of the Empire.

That is a required absolute (as long as you feel the urge to dictate Imperial Policy).

If you have issue with my demands please PM me, as I will not be as understanding next time in the open forum.


fin,
sargas

First, the issue with Madden is now a moot point. --> I see he's still in EOS. Have it your way. SSS will conduct a thorough review of its alliance with EOS!

All I demand of you, AT THIS TIME, is a list of those who you decree cannot become members of the Empire. --> All known SSS enemies, but isn't this supposed to be automatic? What are allies for if you can't depend on them? If someone is an enemy of an allied corp, you shouldn't have accepted him in the first place. If you forgot about it then remembered it, you should have kicked him out right away. If you know he's an enemy and your ally wants him out, there should be no discussion. Negotiation can take place only if an enemy is not a member of an allied corp. If this is not automatic for you, then you treat an "ally" and any other corp out there the same.

If you have issue with my demands please PM me, as I will not be as understanding next time in the open forum. --> The posts and replies of this topic confirm the need to post them in the forum to serve as a reminder and a precedent.

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