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Title: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 12, 2018, 10:39:27 AM
Process of Sales: 1) Trade is publicly agreed to in Forum by both parties.  They request a Trade Manager and agree to pay the fee (something small, to
                          avoid nuisance trades)
                          2) If not currently Trade Corp members, parties apply for membership.
                          3) Manager posts in Forum a restatement of the trade to be conducted (to prevent editing after the fact), if necessary Accepts
                          members, checks Counter is empty, and Assigns to Buyer.
                          4) Buyer places payment or trade goods on Counter, along with any fees
                          5) Manager PMs what's on Counter to Buyer along with any corrections needed.  When all's good, Manager transfers Counter's contents
                          to Shelf, leaving Counter empty, and transfers Counter to Seller.
                          6) Seller places trade goods on Counter along with any fees
                          7) Manager PMs what's on Counter to Seller along with any corrections needed.  When all's good, Manager transfers Counter to Buyer.
                          8) Buyer empties Counter.
                          9) Manager retrieves Counter, verifies it's empty, places Buyer's materials from Shelf onto Counter, and passes to Seller.
                          10) Seller empties Counter.
                          11) If Buyer and/or Seller have no further Trades, they quit Trade Corp (freeing Member Licenses), and Apply to their old Corps or
                           rejoin Sol (auto Accept on Apply)
                          12) Any Trader who isn't a {Merchant in good standing, a Sponsor, or a Founder} who sticks around too long is kicked by a Sponsor.  
                          Anyone who's kicked can't trade until they pay a small fee for the nuisance.

Ranks: 1. Customers can only interact with cargo on their assigned ship (will always be Counter). Do not have to be GCA members.
           2. Merchants are longtime Customers who pay for their own Member license and are never kicked  
               (except for months inactive, or dishonest or illegal dealings).  Merchants can "rent" a corp ship for  
               Storage if they pay for the Ship license and the ship.
           3. Managers can assign ships and accept members, but can't change mods or kick members.  (keeps  
               the ships Earth Bound, and prevents a rogue Manager from kicking everyone until becoming Leader
               ;-)
           4. Sponsors can change mods and kick members.  Customers should voluntarily leave Trade Corp after
               their transaction is done, so Trade Corp doesn't have to buy lots of member licenses.  So getting
               kicked by a Sponsor should have a small penalty next time the kickee wants to join.
           5. Leader (AG designation) should be the alt of a Sponsor with very long and respected AG credentials,    
               including top 20 (preferably top 10) pow Rank.  So has better things to do than cash out this  
               convenient little public utility, and brings the heft of their reputation and corp to promote "good
               behavior".

Members can vote. Founders can veto, if they have a reason (Can't just veto willy-nilly just because they feel like it).

Credit to Publius of SPQNR.

GCA Member Corps.: A GCA member corp. must be peaceful. Acceptions can be made.
                               A GCA member corp. must be on the first page (in the top 20).
                               A GCA member corp. must send a copy of the current KoS list to GCA to update every
                               time there is a new edition.
                               Membership requirements are that you ask and be approved. All being a member does is        
                               allow you to vote on matters. Applications will be posted and voted on by members.
                               All GCA member corps. must help enforce GCA law and defend GCA.
                               Current GCA member corps. include: PT, CAP.

GCA Arbitration: GCA will offer arbitrate conflicts with neutrality between GCA members.

GCA Bank and Loans: GCA will grant loans in diamonds at an interest rate of 5% per month. Is this better???
                                If GCA is not paid back within 6 months, you will be placed on list and not allowed to trade until repaid.
                                GCA bank can also store other things of value for a fee.

GCA War and KoS Policy: 1. GCA KoS list is enforced by member corps., not by GCA. GCA will stay out of all                                      
                                     wars except for arbitration.

GCA Rights and Claim: Rights to the GCA idea, along with a veto are given to the original members, being  
                                  Publius, CliffClavin, and Pokťboy. If someone else wants to claim that they are      
                                  a founder or wants to not be a founder, then they may present their case and we will
                                  change the bylaws as such.
                                  If these rights are violated or the corp. is copied, the criminal will be put on the KoS list
                                  and any claims by them will be treated as invalid.

Trade Restrictions: No weapons or shields should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power. No deathrays.
                            All trades should be publicly agreed on in the forums.
                            No modules should be given to a member of the trade ban list or the KoS list.

Crime Penalties: Trade with known pirates and KoS members will put you on the trade ban list until designated   
                        amount of time is done.
                        If a module is stolen, you will be put on the KoS list.
                        Sale of illegal modules will be punished with a warning unless it is a second offense. If this is a      
                        second offense, you will be placed on the Trade Ban list or the KoS list.
                       

A public hearing in the forum with a Jury of Trusted Sponsors with no bias in the case will be provided if requested.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 12, 2018, 11:34:05 AM
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Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 12, 2018, 12:28:08 PM
I think this is good. Comment if you want changes or approve!


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 12, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
May I suggest that if a pirate finds and loots a station before a transaction that the Corp declare war on them like a UN action and if a decision that would be corrupt is made that at least 3 corps can veto it


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on April 12, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
What is the membership requirements for the GCA? Are there various membership types - that is, are there say 'charter members' vs regular members? Are there differences in rights/responsibilities between a charter member and other members.  How will you handle members corps that morph (split up, etc.)  How will you handle applications for new members?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 12, 2018, 01:44:27 PM
What is the membership requirements for the GCA? Are there various membership types - that is, are there say 'charter members' vs regular members? Are there differences in rights/responsibilities between a charter member and other members.  How will you handle members corps that morph (split up, etc.)  How will you handle applications for new members?
Membership requirements are that you ask and be approved. Al being a member does is allow you to vote on matters. Applications will be posted and voted on by members. Split corps. will be treated as new corps. and must re-apply for membership. These were all good questions.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 12, 2018, 01:48:46 PM
Cliff, if you have already made the account we will work around it, but if you havenít donít do it yet. I donít think we are ready to actually start the corp.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 12, 2018, 02:01:28 PM
Ok


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 12, 2018, 02:47:41 PM
May I suggest that if a pirate finds and loots a station before a transaction that the Corp declare war on them like a UN action and if a decision that would be corrupt is made that at least 3 corps can veto it

Well, a pirate would be put on the KoS list anyway just for attacking something. As for the veto, I think that is a good idea, but we should only give the power to the founders (Pokeboy, Publius, CliffClavin, and Raphael, as stated in GCA Rights and Claims section). If someone else wants to claim that they are a founder or wants to not be a founder, then they may present their case and we will change the bylaws as such.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 12, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
I like it


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on April 13, 2018, 09:29:19 PM
Wait, I just wanna be a sponsor to encourage AG growth, nothing more. lol

Leave me out of the decision-making once GCA is established.

I will donate 100 QPs per month as long as it's alive. Having no voting power/influence in the GCA is fine with me.

I suggest to keep it simple: focus on free and seamless trading, and stay out of conflicts/wars. Always remain neutral.  :)

I just have one addition to the bylaws: Ensure transparency. All trades should be documented here in the forum. In a dedicated thread, just a short post of who trades what with whom is enough.

Pokeboy, what's your game id?



Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on April 13, 2018, 10:38:15 PM
I'm with Raphael on the 'only want to see it succeed'.  I'll donate $100million to help defray the original costs.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 13, 2018, 11:29:18 PM
I'm with Raphael on the 'only want to see it succeed'.  I'll donate $100million to help defray the original costs.

Do that Odlid, and you're a Sponsor too!  $100m is big time, and much more than you're likely to make by trading -- It's a gift to the other players, in support of a Game you enjoy :-)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 14, 2018, 12:03:24 AM
GCA Member Corps.: A GCA member corp. must be peaceful. Exceptions can be made.
                               A GCA member corp. must be on the first page (in the top 20).
                               A GCA member corp. must send a copy of the current KoS list to GCA to update every
                               time there is a new edition.
                               Membership requirements are that you ask and be approved. All being a member does is        
                               allow you to vote on matters. Applications will be posted and voted on by members.

GCA Arbitration: GCA will arbitrate conflicts between GCA members.  <== Good idea, but doubt it will fly.  If lead players are playing rough, nothing tiny GCA can do!  *Offering* to arbitrate is a different matter :-)

GCA Bank and Loans: GCA will grant loans in diamonds at an interest rate of 15% per month. <== Too high.  How about 15% total, payable in equal installments of (1.15 * original) / 6 over 6-months?
                                If GCA is not paid back within 6 months, you will be placed on the KoS list. <== Too harsh.  How about banned from Trading until repaid.  Debt will be sold to a bounty hunter after 2-months unpaid?
                                GCA bank can also store other things of value for a fee. <== Like :-)  Fee will need to consider cost of ship licenses and large CABs or ACBs, but can see a good business on this!

GCA War and KoS Policy: 1. GCA KoS list is enforced by member corps., not by GCA. GCA will stay out of all                                      
                                     wars except for arbitration.

GCA Rights and Claim: Rights to the GCA idea, along with a veto are given to the original members, being  
                                  Publius, Raphael, CliffClavin, and Pokťboy. If someone else wants to claim that they are      
                                  a founder or wants to not be a founder, then they may present their case and we will
                                  change the bylaws as such.
                                  If these rights are violated or the corp. is copied, the criminal will be put on the KoS list
                                  and any claims by them will be treated as invalid.

Trade Restrictions: No modules capable of attack upon an enemy should be traded of a Mk. higher than C.  <== Won't scale.  How about no weapon or shield with Pow > 2% of customer's will be sold or traded?  No Deathrays.
                            No modules should be taken without payment to other trade member. <== won't happen without corruption.  Suggested Trade process:
                                                        1) Trade is publicly agreed to in Forum by both parties.  They request a Trade Manager and agree to pay the fee (something small, to avoid nuisance trades)
                                                        2) If not currently Trade Corp members, parties apply for membership.
                                                        3) Manager posts in Forum a restatement of the trade to be conducted (to prevent editing after the fact), if necessary Accepts members, checks Counter is empty, and Assigns to Buyer.
                                                        4) Buyer places payment or trade goods on Counter, along with any fees
                                                        5) Manager PMs what's on Counter to Buyer along with any corrections needed.  When all's good, Manager transfers Counter's contents to Shelf, leaving Counter empty, and transfers Counter to Seller.
                                                        6) Seller places trade goods on Counter along with any fees
                                                        7) Manager PMs what's on Counter to Seller along with any corrections needed.  When all's good, Manager transfers Counter to Buyer.
                                                        8) Buyer empties Counter.
                                                        9) Manager retrieves Counter, verifies it's empty, places Buyer's materials from Shelf onto Counter, and passes to Seller.
                                                       10) Seller empties Counter.
                                                       11) If Buyer and/or Seller have no further Trades, they quit Trade Corp (freeing Member Licenses), and Apply to their old Corps or rejoin Sol (auto Accept on Apply)
                                                       12) Any Trader who isn't a {Merchant in good standing, a Sponsor, or a Founder} who sticks around too long is kicked by a Sponsor.  Anyone who's kicked can't trade until they pay a small fee for the nuisance.
                           No modules should be given to a member of the KoS list. <== Lets keep Trade ban (standard, mild sanction) separate from KoS (theft, extortion, corruption)

Crime Penalties: Trade with known pirates and KoS members will put you on the KoS list. <== Too harsh.  How about, puts you on the No Trade list until 2x the value traded is paid to Trade Corp in penalties?
                        If a module is stolen, you will be put on the KoS list.  <== Maybe.  That's corruption, but let's have a public Forum hearing on each such case before a Jury of Sponsors, Founders, and Merchants in good standing.  Charged gets to request copies of the Trade Log and ask that the Log be directly reviewed (by Assigning ship(s)) to an Advocate (Advocate can be anyone acceptable to the Jury and the charged)
                        Sale of illegal modules will be punished with a warning unless it is a second offense. If this is a      
                        second offense, you will be placed on the KoS list.  <== Can't happen without corruption.  See process above.  Nothing changes hands except through a Manager.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on April 14, 2018, 12:58:35 AM
Perhaps there would be a way to have two (2) Counter ships - say Counter 1 and Counter 2 - to allow the GCA manager to have less administrative tasks?  Seller gets cargo rights to Counter 1, buyer gets cargo rights to Counter 2, both get view rights to each?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 14, 2018, 01:56:40 PM
Raphael has been removed from founders list. I won't be part of the corp. much, but I would still like to vote, so if you send QP to the GCA, probably send it to someone else. I have started the forum thread for GCA, but it will be locked until the corp. is actually finished. My ingame is 5292 anyway. I feel that if I left PT for good, the corp. power would dip too much and we wouldn't be able to maintain enough activity or power to get more members. However, I may stop by every now and then...

Also, I think there may be some confusion over this point:

Each member corp. or independent gets one representative on the council to vote on things. Founders get a veto.

Founders are not the only ones who get a vote.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on April 16, 2018, 05:23:34 AM
Sent 100 QPs..

So aside from cliff, who else is interested in managing the corp? no one?  :))


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 16, 2018, 12:16:10 PM
Loan Interest Rate still seems high, but guess demand (or its lack) will tell us whether that's so..

Managing may be a pain on busy days, and should be well compensated (this *is* supposed to be a game ;-).  
Thinking a 5% fee from the buyer to the Manager, minimum $10k, where all fees are always in diamonds?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on April 16, 2018, 12:39:53 PM
Them make the minimum fee 5 diamonds.  A newbie source of diamonds is Sol = $10500.  Or alternately make the minimum fee 6 diamonds which nets the manager $10500 if she sells the diamonds at Sol.

I trade you 50 ACB 200's for your 15 SLB 300's.  What is the manager's fee? 


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 16, 2018, 04:03:01 PM
100 QP received. It will be put to good use. Thank you! :)

As for the interest, we can always change as we go along. Cliff will be manager, I guess. He isn't exactly the strength qualification, but we have no other options.

I don't really understand the salaries that much, so just have everyone agree on something and I will modify as such.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on April 16, 2018, 07:26:28 PM
No prob.

Okay, Cliff then.

So Cliff, if you're the manager, what do you think would be considered a fair compensation? Are you online every day for at least 10 minutes?



Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 17, 2018, 08:20:57 AM
Raphael has been removed from founders list. I won't be part of the corp. much, but I would still like to vote, so if you send QP to the GCA, probably send it to someone else. I have started the forum thread for GCA, but it will be locked until the corp. is actually finished. My ingame is 5292 anyway. I feel that if I left PT for good, the corp. power would dip too much and we wouldn't be able to maintain enough activity or power to get more members. However, I may stop by every now and then...

Also, I think there may be some confusion over this point:

Each member corp. or independent gets one representative on the council to vote on things. Founders get a veto.

Founders are not the only ones who get a vote.
I will be able to leave my Corp easily I have a leader account for my corp


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 17, 2018, 10:11:36 AM
About how long until Corp opens i have a module that I would like to sell in order to upgrade a ship


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 17, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
We need a manager, sounds like Cliff, but terms aren't final. :-)

It would be good, though not strictly necessary, if at least 1 of the Top 4 corps, preferably all, to recognize Trade Corp, and indemnify its leadership and participants from adverse consequences of Trade Corp activities, so long as they remain within the bounds of the Charter as above and as it may be modified.  Any so recognizing will have a Treaty call on Trade Corp to inform them of any proposed modifications of the Charter.  They don't get a veto, but will have the powerful suasion of stating their concerns, along with the implicit final recourse of withdrawing recognition and indemnification.   Consent will be assumed if nothing is heard for 1-week after posting in a Trade Corp thread we'll start, and PM'ing the various Top 4 Corp leaders who may have provided recognition and indemnification.

It would also be good, though not strictly necessary, if at least 1 of the Top 4 corps, preferably all, declared that theft from Trade Corp is the same as theft from them.  And that theft, if duly proven, will have severe consequences unless promptly made good along with reparations (some humane multiple should be written into this Charter - maybe 3x?).

Any of the Big 4 want to officially put their Clout behind Trade Corp ?-D


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 18, 2018, 11:15:47 AM
Modified GCA member corps. section. Still need more members, as well as an actual corp., whenever you are ready. I will unlock the topic or modify if or when neccessary.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 19, 2018, 12:27:10 PM
Modified GCA member corps. section. Still need more members, as well as an actual corp., whenever you are ready. I will unlock the topic or modify if or when neccessary.

I'm good, pending Raphael and Cliff agreeing on Manager's cut or pay..

Please add Odlid as a Sponsor - he's pledged to underwrite a 2nd Titan and my building the storage for it.
Odlid, please verify that to this thread..

Thanks for coordinating :-)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 19, 2018, 04:00:09 PM
Modified GCA member corps. section. Still need more members, as well as an actual corp., whenever you are ready. I will unlock the topic or modify if or when neccessary.

I'm good, pending Raphael and Cliff agreeing on Manager's cut or pay..

Please add Odlid as a Sponsor - he's pledged to underwrite a 2nd Titan and my building the storage for it.
Odlid, please verify that to this thread..

Thanks for coordinating :-)

I donít care about money I just want to help


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 20, 2018, 01:54:09 AM
Modified GCA member corps. section. Still need more members, as well as an actual corp., whenever you are ready. I will unlock the topic or modify if or when neccessary.

I'm good, pending Raphael and Cliff agreeing on Manager's cut or pay..

Please add Odlid as a Sponsor - he's pledged to underwrite a 2nd Titan and my building the storage for it.
Odlid, please verify that to this thread..

Thanks for coordinating :-)

I donít care about money I just want to help


Then I think we're "there" :-)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on April 20, 2018, 08:49:36 AM
Modified GCA member corps. section. Still need more members, as well as an actual corp., whenever you are ready. I will unlock the topic or modify if or when neccessary.

I'm good, pending Raphael and Cliff agreeing on Manager's cut or pay..

Please add Odlid as a Sponsor - he's pledged to underwrite a 2nd Titan and my building the storage for it.
Odlid, please verify that to this thread..

Thanks for coordinating :-)

I donít care about money I just want to help

Are you sure? lol
If yes, then that's great!
We can get it started!

Can someone create the corp, step down as leader and give it to cliff? Not sure if cliff has enough solars to put it up. :)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 20, 2018, 12:44:20 PM
 I do have enough solars, it is made. Can somebody send me the final bylaws in game to add to the announcements. Also what ranks should I make


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 20, 2018, 01:08:24 PM
Canít you copy/paste the bylaws?

I have unlocked the thread for trade.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 20, 2018, 01:43:10 PM
Canít you copy/paste the bylaws?

I have unlocked the thread for trade.
Are they the first thing in this thred


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 22, 2018, 12:16:41 PM
Yes. The bylaws are the first post in the thread.

Wow. You have gotten a lot stronger since the last time I checked. :)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on April 23, 2018, 06:50:35 AM
I confirm that I'll buy a Titan for the GCA corp.

I run my cashflow down to about 50million so might need a few days to gather back up the cash.  Haven't played for a few days (Wanee music festival - sooo much fun) but am back now.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 23, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
The Corp. is now ready shall we announce it? :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 23, 2018, 11:40:10 AM
The Corp. isnít mow ready shall we announce it? :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Give it another 2-days?   I just made some large purchases, need to recover a day before buying the ships, and will be offline most of tomorrow.
Will be using my Earth-bound Alt "SPQNR_Publius" for the setup - please accept when you see my Join request?

Odlid - I'll set things up, and start the next round of storage.  You can pay me back using.. Trade Corp! 
Will be CAB-300's this time (3-weeks) - did the ACBs when I thought we were in a hurry ;-)

I'll also provide a nuke-100 to put us on the front page of the corps.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 23, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
The Corp. isnít mow ready shall we announce it? :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Give it another 2-days?   I just made some large purchases, need to recover a day before buying the ships, and will be offline most of tomorrow.
Will be using my Earth-bound Alt "SPQNR_Publius" for the setup - please accept when you see my Join request?

Odlid - I'll set things up, and start the next round of storage.  You can pay me back using.. Trade Corp! 
Will be CAB-300's this time (3-weeks) - did the ACBs when I thought we were in a hurry ;-)

I'll also provide a nuke-100 to put us on the front page of the corps.
ok


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 25, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
Loan Interest Rate still seems high, but guess demand (or its lack) will tell us whether that's so..

Managing may be a pain on busy days, and should be well compensated (this *is* supposed to be a game ;-).  
Thinking a 5% fee from the buyer to the Manager, minimum $10k, where all fees are always in diamonds?
I agree and that would then be my pay for the corp


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 25, 2018, 04:55:50 PM
Loan Interest Rate still seems high, but guess demand (or its lack) will tell us whether that's so..

Managing may be a pain on busy days, and should be well compensated (this *is* supposed to be a game ;-).  
Thinking a 5% fee from the buyer to the Manager, minimum $10k, where all fees are always in diamonds?
I agree and that would then be my pay for the corp

Per a point that was contributed further up - let's calculate the fee as 2.5% of total value exchanged, rather than 5% of what the designated "buyer" is paying.  That way barters are compensated, and a sale can't game the system as 2 offsetting "gifts".

FYI - have all mods (including the new round of CABs bought from SPQNR surplus (so no build delay)).  However, am awaiting a permissions issue on SPQNR's end.  
We'll be moving soon.  Hope user demand makes this all worthwhile!


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 25, 2018, 06:10:18 PM
Agreed


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 25, 2018, 10:11:54 PM
Loan Interest Rate still seems high, but guess demand (or its lack) will tell us whether that's so..

Managing may be a pain on busy days, and should be well compensated (this *is* supposed to be a game ;-).  
Thinking a 5% fee from the buyer to the Manager, minimum $10k, where all fees are always in diamonds?
I agree and that would then be my pay for the corp

Per a point that was contributed further up - let's calculate the fee as 2.5% of total value exchanged, rather than 5% of what the designated "buyer" is paying.  That way barters are compensated, and a sale can't game the system as 2 offsetting "gifts".

FYI - have all mods (including the new round of CABs bought from SPQNR surplus (so no build delay)).  However, am awaiting a permissions issue on SPQNR's end.  
We'll be moving soon.  Hope user demand makes this all worthwhile!


All hurdles cleared.  Am knocking at the door, bearing gifts :-)
(corporate Join request to GCA sent..)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 26, 2018, 08:02:56 AM
I have accepted your request


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 26, 2018, 09:46:05 AM
This is indeed a great day for AG.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 26, 2018, 09:50:30 AM
Agreed


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on April 26, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
Cliff - I will make a request to join the GCA now.  To fulfill my charter-member pledge I will buy sTitan (or did Publius do this already?) and put some ACB-200's on it.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 26, 2018, 10:49:12 AM
Cliff - I will make a request to join the GCA now.  To fulfill my charter-member pledge I will buy sTitan (or did Publius do this already?) and put some ACB-200's on it.

Done:  2 Titans - "Counter" and "Shelf" purchased and equipped.  718,725 m3 on each, Shelf also has 1 nuke-100 equipped to secure Front Page (bottom) on Top Corps list.

To Do:  Counter has 17-slots remaining, and Shelf has 16.  Odlid, if you'd like, you could add storage to those remaining slots and Optimize both ships as Freighter-X?

Suggestion:  Cliff - the long Corp Announcements make it hard to use Corp controls or chat.   Suggest moving the process and final bylaws to a new Forum thread, and including only the link in the Corp Announcements?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 26, 2018, 01:51:12 PM
Odlid paid for 2 Freighter-X Optimizations, and provided enough storage for a new ship - 411,975 m3 (before Optimization) - a $97m gift!  :)

I kicked in for a new Titan and a Freighter-X Optimization - the "Register", put Odlid's storage mods on it, and moved the nuke to it -- so "Counter" and "Shelf" would match each other in all ways.

Cliff - Please make Odlid a Sponsor.

__
If anyone else fancies Sponsoring?  We still need 43 storage mods (ACB-100/CAB-300 or better, please).

If you're coming to this late - GCA is an Earth-bound corp, that supports trade by:
    taking on temporary members,
    executing their trade for a fee = 2.5% of total value exchanged (fee is the Manager's wage - managing the Trade is quite a nuisance!),
    and asking them to leave until they rejoin for another trade (you can rejoin Sol Corp using a button at the top left of the Top Corps tab).  
GCA is needed, because AG only natively supports trade within the membership of a non-Sol corp (Sol Corp and Independents can't trade, and no direct intercorp trade)

Thank you,
Publius


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 26, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
I have made him a sponsor and I fixed the long message


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 26, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
We're good to go!  :hi:


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 26, 2018, 04:49:50 PM
We're good to go!  :hi:

sweet


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 26, 2018, 06:19:51 PM
BTW Cpt. Jean Cesare is willing to move to GCA if it is necessary to have a PT delegate there.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 26, 2018, 08:21:08 PM
Ok


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on April 29, 2018, 04:36:43 AM
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If anyone else fancies Sponsoring?  We still need 43 storage mods (ACB-100/CAB-300 or better, please).


What else do you need?

I will provide all the needed modules for the GCA, and I plan to provide them through trading. :)



Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on April 30, 2018, 09:49:57 AM
Off topic: Odlid, will you ever be interested in joining a corp.?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on April 30, 2018, 09:54:43 AM
Hi


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on April 30, 2018, 07:54:33 PM
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If anyone else fancies Sponsoring?  We still need 43 storage mods (ACB-100/CAB-300 or better, please).


What else do you need?

I will provide all the needed modules for the GCA, and I plan to provide them through trading. :)



Think that's the last of setup :-)

GCA has  3-ships.  2-Directly involved in trade support, each with over 1m-m3, 1 for storage with 2/3m/m3.  Remaining mods would take that one also to around 1m-m3.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on May 01, 2018, 02:38:39 PM
One of the original purposes of the GCA that we didnít really talk about in the bylaws was that I wanted it to push Sir Emi into updating. Do you think this is possible?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on May 01, 2018, 06:13:09 PM
I think this game is end state.  Sir Emi gets a few bucks now and then and it runs on a server that is up anyway.  But there are so few people playing, and so few of them buying stuff with RL money, that I can't imagine him spending development time on the game.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on May 01, 2018, 08:32:06 PM
One of the original purposes of the GCA that we didnít really talk about in the bylaws was that I wanted it to push Sir Emi into updating. Do you think this is possible?
 

I'm sorry, but no. Sir Emi has shown no real interest in the game since Hector was a pup...


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on May 02, 2018, 11:20:50 AM
We have a currency problem.  People have been buying discount diamonds from SPQNR's public Lunar station, but not selling them back.  It's out of diamonds.
Buying diamonds from Earth is at a major markup, and will limit trade. 


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on May 10, 2018, 12:21:08 PM
I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws as follows:

Change from:
Trade Restrictions: No weapons or shields should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power. No deathrays.

Change to:
Trade Restrictions: No weapons or shields should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power or mark level 50, whichever is greater. No deathrays.

Justification:
If a new player wants to do some SOS Com missions it takes a few level 50 MAU's and AES's to get into the game.  Allowing this should be encouraged.  As the GCA charter stands a player must build out SLB's and research MAU and AES to get into SOS com missions.  I have 18 ships but my total power is < 1500.  By our bylaws I can't even buy a MAU mark 1.  Is this what is desired?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on May 10, 2018, 04:23:09 PM
I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws as follows:

Change from:
Trade Restrictions: No weapons or shields should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power. No deathrays.

Change to:
Trade Restrictions: No weapons or shields should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power or mark level 50, whichever is greater. No deathrays.

Justification:
If a new player wants to do some SOS Com missions it takes a few level 50 MAU's and AES's to get into the game.  Allowing this should be encouraged.  As the GCA charter stands a player must build out SLB's and research MAU and AES to get into SOS com missions.  I have 18 ships but my total power is < 1500.  By our bylaws I can't even buy a MAU mark 1.  Is this what is desired?



Understand what you're after, but as written biases towards heavier, less cost-efficient weapons.  How about:
"No military modules should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power or 50,000-Pow, whichever is greater."
Note - the 50k is my recall of what's necessary to pickup a COM.  If it's something different, then please replace the 50k with the correct number :-)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on May 10, 2018, 10:12:53 PM
Quote
"No military modules should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power or 50,000-Pow, whichever is greater."

There are two possible interpretation of that statement - do you mean:

1. Max module = 5% * Greater{customer power | 50000}
2. Max module = Greater{a module equaling = 5% * customer power | a module equaling 50000 power}

Interpretation 1 would not allow you to purchase even MAU1 since MAU 1 = 1000 marines*3*2 = 6000 power which would be much more than 5% * 50000 = 2500 power
Interpretation 2 would limit me to purchasing about MAU 30 = 8250 marines * 3 * 2 = 49500 power which would be less than 50000 power

The second interpretation is what I think you meant given the context of your later remarks.  I'm fine with option 2 - I think the threat of a MAU30 (or MAU50=79500 power or even MAU 100=154500 power) means almost no threat to anyone who can actually build one and certainly is a pittance on the power meter for any corporation.  Assuming you mean the second interpretation perhaps wording it as follows would be clearer:

No military module shall be traded of where the power level of the traded module(s) would increase the power level of the customer by more than 5% of their then current power level or by 50000 power, whichever is greater. When determining the maximum module level that can be traded the effect of the customers VIP status and/or Tactician Officer will be disregarded.





Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on May 10, 2018, 11:41:36 PM
You got it.  Nice rewrite!


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Odlid on May 11, 2018, 12:16:06 AM
Glad I got it right.  Using this rule I did some calculations to find the single module maximum mark levels that can be sold to anyone:


                                               Base  Power             Power perPersonnelTotal
Module Name                  AbbrMarkPowerper MarkPersonnelPersonnelper MarkPower
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marines Assault Unit MAU301000625049500
Railgun Battery RGB13120003000175248350
Laser Cannon LCN306000150050249600
Viper Squadron VPR952000500500250000
Strategic Nuke STN1500001250050000
Electromagnetic Shield SHG39550012575249900
Adv Electromagnetic Shield AES762500625185249745
Titanium Armor Plates TAP39750012550000
Iridium Armor Plates IAP130150037549875
Osmium Armor Plates OAP503750937.549687.5
Crystalline Armor Plates CAP237500187548750
Combat Drive CDR1??????

I couldn't figure out how combat drives worked though....so perhaps no restriction on the mark of CDR?  Do people much use them?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on May 11, 2018, 09:46:46 AM
Very handy. Thanks!

CDR are seldom used by stronger players, because MAU work better with COMs, and it's always better to have another strong MAU.  That said, I can see some PvP scenarios, where a top notch CDR would be handy.  Let's leave CDR off the list.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on May 11, 2018, 11:44:11 AM
Am I able to hire an assistant manager?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on May 11, 2018, 01:25:06 PM
Am I able to hire an assistant manager?

Don't see why not, but they be coming out of your pay and fees ;-)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on May 11, 2018, 03:09:06 PM
I know, I was asking because if the Corp really did work then I might need help


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: millermatthew on August 06, 2018, 06:06:19 AM
Process of Sales: 1) Trade is publicly agreed to in Forum by both parties.  They request a Trade Manager and agree to pay the fee (something small, to
                          avoid nuisance trades)
                          2) If not currently Trade Corp members, parties apply for membership.
                          3) Manager posts in Forum a restatement of the trade to be conducted (to prevent editing after the fact), if necessary Accepts
                          members, checks Counter is empty, and Assigns to Buyer.
                          4) Buyer places payment or trade goods on Counter, along with any fees
                          5) Manager PMs what's on Counter to Buyer along with any corrections needed.  When all's good, Manager transfers Counter's contents
                          to Shelf, leaving Counter empty, and transfers Counter to Seller.
                          6) Seller places trade goods on Counter along with any fees
                          7) Manager PMs what's on Counter to Seller along with any corrections needed.  When all's good, Manager transfers Counter to Buyer.
                          8) Buyer empties Counter.
                          9) Manager retrieves Counter, verifies it's empty, places Buyer's materials from Shelf onto Counter, and passes to Seller.
                          10) Seller empties Counter.
                          11) If Buyer and/or Seller have no further Trades, they quit Trade Corp (freeing Member Licenses), and Apply to their old Corps or
                           rejoin Sol (auto Accept on Apply)
                          12) Any Trader who isn't a {Merchant in good standing, a Sponsor, or a Founder} who sticks around too long is kicked by a Sponsor.  
                          Anyone who's kicked can't trade until they pay a small fee for the nuisance.

Ranks: 1. Customers can only interact with cargo on their assigned ship (will always be Counter). Do not have to be GCA members.
           2. Merchants are longtime Customers who pay for their own Member license and are never kicked  
               (except for months inactive, or dishonest or illegal dealings).  Merchants can "rent" a corp ship for  
               Storage if they pay for the Ship license and the ship.
           3. Managers can assign ships and accept members, but can't change mods or kick members.  (keeps  
               the ships Earth Bound, and prevents a rogue Manager from kicking everyone until becoming Leader
               ;-)
           4. Sponsors can change mods and kick members.  Customers should voluntarily leave Trade Corp after
               their transaction is done, so Trade Corp doesn't have to buy lots of member licenses.  So getting
               kicked by a Sponsor should have a small penalty next time the kickee wants to join.
           5. Leader (AG designation) should be the alt of a Sponsor with very long and respected AG credentials,    
               including top 20 (preferably top 10) pow Rank.  So has better things to do than cash out this  
               convenient little public utility, and brings the heft of their reputation and corp to promote "good
               behavior".

Members can vote. Founders can veto, if they have a reason (Can't just veto willy-nilly just because they feel like it).

Credit to Publius of SPQNR.

GCA Member Corps.: A GCA member corp. must be peaceful. Acceptions can be made.
                               A GCA member corp. must be on the first page (in the top 20).
                               A GCA member corp. must send a copy of the current KoS list to GCA to update every
                               time there is a new edition.
                               Membership requirements are that you ask and be approved. All being a member does is        
                               allow you to vote on matters. Applications will be posted and voted on by members.
                               All GCA member corps. must help enforce GCA law and defend GCA.
                               Current GCA member corps. include: PT, CAP.

GCA Arbitration: GCA will offer arbitrate conflicts with neutrality between GCA members.

GCA Bank and Loans: GCA will grant loans in diamonds at an interest rate of 5% per month. Is this better???
                                If GCA is not paid back within 6 months, you will be placed on list and not allowed to trade until repaid.
                                GCA bank can also store other things of value for a fee.

GCA War and KoS Policy: 1. GCA KoS list is enforced by member corps., not by GCA. GCA will stay out of all                                      
                                     wars except for arbitration.

GCA Rights and Claim: Rights to the GCA idea, along with a veto are given to the original members, being  
                                  Publius, CliffClavin, and Pokťboy. If someone else wants to claim that they are      
                                  a founder or wants to not be a founder, then they may present their case and we will
                                  change the bylaws as such.
                                  If these rights are violated or the corp. is copied, the criminal will be put on the KoS list
                                  and any claims by them will be treated as invalid.

Trade Restrictions: No weapons or shields should be traded of a power level higher than 5% of customer's power. No deathrays.
                            All trades should be publicly agreed on in the forums.
                            No modules should be given to a member of the trade ban list or the KoS list.

Crime Penalties: Trade with known pirates and KoS members will put you on the trade ban list until designated   
                        amount of time is done.
                        If a module is stolen, you will be put on the KoS list.
                        Sale of illegal modules will be punished with a warning unless it is a second offense. If this is a      
                        second offense, you will be placed on the Trade Ban list or the KoS list.
                       

A public hearing in the forum with a Jury of Trusted Sponsors with no bias in the case will be provided if requested.

Can you tell me the membership price  (http://iconoffices.co.uk)of GCA?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on August 06, 2018, 10:38:02 AM
Free, but short-term only (time it takes to complete the exchange) - you rejoin your Corp by re-Applying afterward (PM your corp Leader first so this goes quickly).  Sol Corp rejoins Sol using widget at the top of the Corp > Top Corps tab after leaving GCA.

(ed) Exchanges must have a minimum value of $1m since they're subsidized by Raphael at 1-QP/exchange (paid to the GCA Leader).

There's also some limitations on the purchase of military equipment (max value scales with your Pow)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on August 06, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Is [GCA] Capt. Clavin (who has been inactive for 644h 19m 1s) still the one in charge of GCA?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on August 06, 2018, 09:35:37 PM
Is [GCA] Capt. Clavin (who has been inactive for 644h 19m 1s) still the one in charge of GCA?


Odlid's Leader right now.  307h 56m 6s  :21:

I can boot Odlid (and re-admit him when he returns) if there's a Trade to do..


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on August 10, 2018, 04:27:24 PM
It's good to know that the GCA isn't dead yet...

edit for the following announcement:

10.   A Travelers Aid Society warning remains in effect in the Feenamint Cluster.   Andi Sergiletti has been declared an ĎEnemy of the Empireí and a reward of 500,000 Imperial Credits has been issued for her arrest. The riots in Grolff following the assassination of Reverend St. Jinnistract has resulted in a heavy Imperial presence in the Grolff system neighboring the heavily guarded shipyards at both Bweetwe and Santree.  TAS representatives have been arrested and executed in the Grolff system.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on September 05, 2018, 09:29:40 PM
Urgent news someone robed the GCA today and booted me they were supposed to ba a Sponsoring but they took everything when I turned away to do some chores


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Matamaure001 on September 06, 2018, 11:54:38 AM
LOL, peoples never change!!!!!!


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on September 06, 2018, 01:12:28 PM
Urgent news someone robed the GCA today and booted me they were supposed to ba a Sponsoring but they took everything when I turned away to do some chores

What did they steal, and who was it?  As GCA members I see only Odlid (absent a long time), you (just readmitted by me), and Sargas.  Only leader can grant rank.  I can't even boot Odlid.  Please PM Support?  Was there any name on the kick notice, or is there maybe some auto-kick for absent Leaders?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on September 06, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
There was no name just I was booted


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on September 06, 2018, 01:30:52 PM
They took every thing off the ships


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on September 06, 2018, 07:39:07 PM
Check the cargo logs.  :)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on September 07, 2018, 08:31:04 AM
Check the cargo logs.  :)


Good idea  :)

All mods from all ships (except last Cargo bay on each) were transferred to "SS. Orbis (#560328)".  The last time someone mentioned that ship ID, it was registered to:
560328   CVN-61 SC Orbis   10761   [CAP] Capt. Clavin

Appears you might need to change your password, Mr. Clavin?   :21:


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on September 07, 2018, 02:44:09 PM
Ok I took them but because the GCA was dead. Have Fun attacking me thogh Iím currently exploring the alien cluster. Also if the GCA wasnít dead I wouldnít of taken them, plus I was never paid for my duties. So what can I do you wouldnít of wanted them in the end. By the way I still have the nuke so donít try anything.
Or else I will declare war. :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :pistols: :pistols: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: kboom kboom kboom :sniper: :rifle: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana:


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on September 07, 2018, 08:55:36 PM
 :))


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on September 08, 2018, 08:34:34 AM
Ok I took them but because the GCA was dead. Have Fun attacking me thogh Iím currently exploring the alien cluster. Also if the GCA wasnít dead I wouldnít of taken them, plus I was never paid for my duties. So what can I do you wouldnít of wanted them in the end. By the way I still have the nuke so donít try anything.
Or else I will declare war. :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :pistols: :pistols: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: kboom kboom kboom :sniper: :rifle: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana:

there is no hiding in the alien cluster. there are a lot of us there.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/sargas37/14_6_1.gif)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on September 08, 2018, 11:14:55 AM
Ok I took them but because the GCA was dead. Have Fun attacking me thogh Iím currently exploring the alien cluster. Also if the GCA wasnít dead I wouldnít of taken them, plus I was never paid for my duties. So what can I do you wouldnít of wanted them in the end. By the way I still have the nuke so donít try anything.  :nono:

Remind me?  Raphael, I, and most importantly Odlid (because he had the least to give, but kept up anyway) each provided around $100m in modules (I also provided ships and Optimizations).  Forgetting now, but think you may also have stolen $100m in mods from the Emperor?

You provided ~ $3-400m in service?   :))


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on September 08, 2018, 12:07:11 PM
Ok I took them but because the GCA was dead. Have Fun attacking me thogh Iím currently exploring the alien cluster. Also if the GCA wasnít dead I wouldnít of taken them, plus I was never paid for my duties. So what can I do you wouldnít of wanted them in the end. By the way I still have the nuke so donít try anything.
Or else I will declare war. :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :pistols: :pistols: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: kboom kboom kboom :sniper: :rifle: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana:

there is no hiding in the alien cluster. there are a lot of us there.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/sargas37/14_6_1.gif)
really because Iíve gone to every star here and there was no one


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: CliffClavin on September 08, 2018, 12:37:20 PM
Ok I took them but because the GCA was dead. Have Fun attacking me thogh Iím currently exploring the alien cluster. Also if the GCA wasnít dead I wouldnít of taken them, plus I was never paid for my duties. So what can I do you wouldnít of wanted them in the end. By the way I still have the nuke so donít try anything.  :nono:

Remind me?  Raphael, I, and most importantly Odlid (because he had the least to give, but kept up anyway) each provided around $100m in modules (I also provided ships and Optimizations).  Forgetting now, but think you may also have stolen $100m in mods from the Emperor?

You provided ~ $3-400m in service?   :))

well I must say the fact that I was able to minupulate you Guys into making me Corp leader is extremely important any ways now you can say Iíve pulled off the biggest heist in Astro galaxy history. Not only that but have your members check attack logs because Iíve made my way around sol


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on September 08, 2018, 02:06:26 PM
Ok I took them but because the GCA was dead. Have Fun attacking me thogh Iím currently exploring the alien cluster. Also if the GCA wasnít dead I wouldnít of taken them, plus I was never paid for my duties. So what can I do you wouldnít of wanted them in the end. By the way I still have the nuke so donít try anything.
Or else I will declare war. :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :pistols: :pistols: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :rifle: :rifle: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: kboom kboom kboom :sniper: :rifle: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana: :gun_bandana:

there is no hiding in the alien cluster. there are a lot of us there.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/sargas37/14_6_1.gif)
really because Iíve gone to every star here and there was no one
Oh, how did you miss SEEKER and the horrors?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on September 08, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
Ok I took them but because the GCA was dead. Have Fun attacking me thogh Iím currently exploring the alien cluster. Also if the GCA wasnít dead I wouldnít of taken them, plus I was never paid for my duties. So what can I do you wouldnít of wanted them in the end. By the way I still have the nuke so donít try anything.  :nono:

Remind me?  Raphael, I, and most importantly Odlid (because he had the least to give, but kept up anyway) each provided around $100m in modules (I also provided ships and Optimizations).  Forgetting now, but think you may also have stolen $100m in mods from the Emperor?

You provided ~ $3-400m in service?   :))

well I must say the fact that I was able to minupulate you Guys into making me Corp leader is extremely important any ways now you can say Iíve pulled off the biggest heist in Astro galaxy history. Not only that but have your members check attack logs because Iíve made my way around sol

...giggle...

I have seen no current logs of attacks by the 'mailman'

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/sargas37/Chilli.gif)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Raptor on September 09, 2018, 05:00:34 AM
well I must say the fact that I was able to minupulate you Guys into making me Corp leader is extremely important any ways now you can say Iíve pulled off the biggest heist in Astro galaxy history. Not only that but have your members check attack logs because Iíve made my way around sol


Biggest robbery in AG history was $338M, at a time when AES-D was state-of-the-art tech in New Rome (it's considered a starters' module now). I doubt you stole more than $338M, but in order to be given the credit you apparently seek, I would want to see it adjusted for inflation: anything under $2.5B theft is a failed record attempt.



[Edit: because that's what AG veterans do]


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on September 09, 2018, 12:03:41 PM
Quote
well I must say the fact that I was able to minupulate you Guys into making me Corp leader is extremely important any ways now you can say Iíve pulled off the biggest heist in Astro galaxy history. Not only that but have your members check attack logs because Iíve made my way around sol


You proved that control of a major endeavor can't be given to someone:
1) without significant "skin in the game"
2) for whom assets or services purloined might matter more than reputational loss.
Thanks for that!  My more democratic principles needed adjustment.

That said, you've managed to po the top 3-corps.  Don't think the gain/loss margin will work out for you  :19:


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on September 09, 2018, 03:53:44 PM
 :21:For some reason, he applied for Imperial membership.

...he was rejected... beee


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Gildavinor on September 09, 2018, 06:11:00 PM
:21:For some reason, he applied for Imperial membership.

...he was rejected... beee
Imagine that ... Could he have been looking for a safe place to hide? (Rhetorical question)


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on September 11, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
Wasnít there someone else who stole a lot and applied for imperial membership? Emobearz?


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: sargas on September 11, 2018, 10:02:15 PM
yes, there was.
He later became Riddick.

Are you thinking of applying to this corporation of redemption?


edit

First you have to be deemed redeemable.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on September 12, 2018, 06:56:13 AM
Nah. Iím perfectly happy watching the forums and not playing the game. The game took too much ch time and effort and had too little reward.


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Publius on September 16, 2018, 01:19:30 PM
Departing AG - my tech startup requires too much attention.

My GCA pw's changed and with Raphael (as the remaining GCA Sponsor with longest standing), though I certainly wouldn't mind if the account ended up with Emperor Sargas, for the rare occasions when a trade needs to be made.  If GCA's to survive, someone will need to contact the Admins about making SPQNR_Publius GCA Leader, and at least one ship needs re-equipping with storage mods.

Best wishes and gratitude to:
Sir Emi, SPQNR, my fellow GCA Sponsors, and the AG Community
for this engrossing game :-D

Farewell!
Publius


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: Pokeboy on September 16, 2018, 01:50:46 PM
And yet another dedicated member leaves AG. This game is like a sinking ship, leaking dedicated members every month... :rip2:


Title: Re: GCA Bylaws Rough Draft
Post by: raphael on September 23, 2018, 08:16:45 AM
Departing AG - my tech startup requires too much attention.

My GCA pw's changed and with Raphael (as the remaining GCA Sponsor with longest standing), though I certainly wouldn't mind if the account ended up with Emperor Sargas, for the rare occasions when a trade needs to be made.  If GCA's to survive, someone will need to contact the Admins about making SPQNR_Publius GCA Leader, and at least one ship needs re-equipping with storage mods.

Best wishes and gratitude to:
Sir Emi, SPQNR, my fellow GCA Sponsors, and the AG Community
for this engrossing game :-D

Farewell!
Publius

Good luck with your startup! And you're always welcome to come back! :)