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If we go for this, you have to stop dropping coms for the next 60 days.

If you keep dropping coms in the next 60 days, the orbits will never be clear, so we will not be able to guarantee 8/3 after 60 days. They will have your pirate ships in orbit, so we won't be able to get rid of the stations.

If you drop a com in 50 days' time, it will take 110 days before the orbits are clear of stations.

We need 60 days of no dropped Coms if we agree to this. Then, we after 60 days, there would only be 8/3 in orbit.

For the next 60 days all nest COM's over limmit 8/3 and a ship in orbit will not be dropped.. but If no ship and over limit there will be dropped. if under limit none will be dropped..

After 60 days if there is more nest COM's 8/3, there will be dropped.. if under limit none will be dropped..

fine by me i still work with timer ships present at my coms and i am in the fourth ring

Sol was swept clear of all Assets belonging to PF following our Declaration of War. The station Probably went 

Thanks for cleaning up my modules now i dont have to send a ship out to collect them

i second this motion

You realise your claiming you ''accidentally" installed modules no one in your corp can even produce. Do you realise how absurd that sounds.

the invocation of our reserves supplied ~60M more power to our fleets...
I may not have a PhD in mathematics, but the numbers don't add up.

Today, you lost just about 100M. If you DO have a PhD in mathematics, you must have received it from Trump U. And that was only today!

per my calculations, 100M isn't a stone's toss from 1.5B either.
and either way... this time our ships aren't as useless  

They May indeed not be  entirely useless since they did just serve as target practise

then using your discription of the titel of Dark Lord  i advice morgan to invoke the ancient sith right of kaggath and take the titel from u because using your explenation he appears to have more right to the titel then you as he has more power then you.

lets take a look at this shall we

Cunning, deception, stealth, strength, determination, loyalty
(lets start with you values first of all deception and loyalty are two value's that directly contradict each other. Cunning you posted your intentions (pirating mining exploring and conquerin) right here in the topic. strength, you have what like 22080 power. Determination, I cant really rebuke this but we will se how long that lasts when people start shooting you.)
These are the value SITH (lets see how long your values last under pressure )
We Have no Fear ( lets see how long that lasts when you start ****ing off people)
We Have No Mercy ( and you probably will not be showen any
We Do Not Make Deals with Other Corporations ( good for you lets see how well that goes when you find yourself against the wall with the guns of all the corperations you angered  pointed at you)
Our Spies Are Scattered Throughout the Galaxy (i highly doubt it and iven iff you do all youre spies will tell you is that your enemy's are many and strong stronger then you can stand against)
Pirating, Mining, Exploring and Conquering are Accepted Activities (you will find your self in a rather dark place if you incist on pirating and conquering rather fast )
You May Think We Are Weak (yes i do you have 39650 points of power)
You Are Wrong (prove it)
We Have Infiltrated Your Corporations, Your Forums, Your Leadership (again prove it)
We Have Amassed A Lot of Knowledge (agian prove it
If You Doubt it ( yes i do)
It's not Our Problem ( i think you will find it to be your problem)
It's Yours ( just one more thing to deal with then)

Belgium ghent

my main character is
jack271995
vice admiral 52
main vessel: Odyssey star cruiser uss blackbird  nx 92576

these are the main games i play from time to time
astro galaxy
astro empires
stwor
star trek online
lord of the rings online
eve online
civ 4 & civ5
x rebirth

If you truly intended no disrespect toward the rest of us at TGE then as I said to torh, my bad. Things in here have been getting a little heated and I am not above getting emotional about it myself. Speaking of which, Torh I didn't really imply that you had wronged him I just thought that something had gone on between the two of you in the past which Jam didn't appreciate that is all. Obviously that either wasn't the case or Jam forgot/forgave it so again my bad on that.

no problem (i am not angry i just wrote the message at a moment i was rather frustrated about things in my personal life and i may or may not have com over angry) and on the subject of having history i resently managed to contact one of the old members of my old corp to verify if he knew any thing about us having had contact with jam before or even after i left and the only incedent he is aware of i some actions taken by a member by a player during the pmi Img war. since i was not active at the time  i dont think ( hope) jam doesnt hold this against me ( if he does i invite him i invite him to pm me too talk it out.

Let's toast to Galactic peace then

 

to peace

[Gee maybe because he's not willing to have low standards just to be no1 in the numbers like you would.]

Sorry for the very long post but i wanted to respond to some of the messages posted on the forum since my last responce

Concerning the Torh situation.  I consider that settled now. I jumped his cargo ship yesterday.  This was after the message from Raptor of course. Torh never did offer me a chance to face one of his COM ships though. I never actively sought him out. I happened to run into him where I was doing a COM. I saw his ship and his mines.  I could have destroyed his advanced mines there but I did not. I kept to my word about not destroying any of his mines/stations.  I told him when the incident happened what I would do if I saw one of his ships.  It is probably better for him it was just a mining ship. It will be cheaper to replace the crew on it then it might be had I trashed one of his COM ships. 

good too here this situation is resolved

As for Raptor. He of all people should know better then to drop COMs. Especially on one his corp had an agreement with.  Did I hit him in his early days. I may have. I honestly don't remember. But hell I haven't been doing much in the way of janitor in a long time.  That was also before any sort of agreement was ever made. Fact is he should have watched what he was doing.  I haven't hit him yet though. I won't be actively hunting him either. But If I see a ship of his I can hit, I will hit it.

its very improbable that we have spoken before the only thing i could think of is an incedent on i read on the forum consurning a member of my previous corp (mirage) interfering in the PMI IMG war were you may have contacted me but i was already inactive at the time ( and by the way i got the leadership on an interim and keept it because no one wanted it i didnt actually run the corp) . And before i went on hiatus the only player i remember having regalar contact with and fought with is scion 

It is time people learn to check where they drop their COMs.  Obviously NAPs or any other sort of agreement that says not to drop COMs just isn't going to work. People are still getting COMs dropped on them.  It isn't just me it is happening to. It is happening to other players as well. So perhaps a nice kick in the  butt will work to teach people to watch what their doing.  It sure seems to be working with Torh now.  People may not like my methods but if it gets the proper results then so be it.   

i learned from my mistake and that is not because of you kicking me in the butt i established the procotol after i accidently dropped a com on you  i made them because i was sorry not because i was scared if i was i could have just parked my ships in deep space every evening. and my i say you treatening people doesnt really give them any insentive to agmit there mistakes in the future 

As for the UC.  TGE is officially out of the UC now. I would like to keep my established NAPs in place and use the UC terms as NAP terms.  But I refuse to change my policy now on people laying COMs on me.  If Rostin or one of his cronies wish to come after me for what I am doing then feel free to.  Just leave the rest of my members out of it.  This is a personal policy of mine. Not a TGE policy.  Whether or not the COMs made things harder or not isn't the point at all.  It is the principal of the matter.  It is disrespectful to lay COMs on other people and can possibly interfere with the operations.  Rostin my advice to you is teach your people better.  Ensure they know to look first.   BTW your not the only player that takes in newer players. New players are always welcome in my Corp and we do provide Corp ships for them to use for COMs.  So far I haven't heard from anyone about any of my people laying COMs on others. Of course I do try to educate my people to watch where they are dropping COMs.

how is it disrespectfull to make an honest mistake? And me dropping a com on you is not a failure on rostin part it was a mistake on my part because i failed to check orbit ( a mistake from which i learned regardless of you treats) 
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I think part of the issue that's being missed is that Jam tries to hold himself to a high standard, and that includes holding his corp to a high standard as well. When he agrees they are not to drop coms at TGE, and he tells his guys not to do so, he tries to make sure they understand and will comply. When there's multiple violations of agreements to that effect and they are coming from the same corp that says something about that corp. I'm the same way, so if it were me I'd be wondering why you expect me to let your guys do something I wouldn't tolerate my guys doing and for which I would expect to be retaliated against.

i didnt intend to cause jam any harm i just made a mistake; and as this thread stats i has happen before where people just drop coms be it intentional or un intentional. we atleast had the honesty to inform jam of our mistake we could have just flow away and he would have know someone dropped it on him but have had no idea who i even offered him compensation for it   

Sure, you can make excuses about how they accept so many new guys(Raptor's not very new) so it's inevitable and how we need to just tolerate their handing powerful ships to new guys without giving them proper orientation and training but at the end of the day guys like Jam, (and myself) see Rostin as 'dropping the ball' in this area, compromising the corps standards to achieve his ambitious goals(like giving new guys com ships prematurely).

That said, mistakes happen and that may not be grounds for dissolving a NAP but if it violates that NAP then I see no reason to argue against retaliation to equalize the violation.

There's nothing wrong with giving a new guy a com ship but in my experience it's never wise to do so as a matter of course. Give them one when they're ready be it day one or day 300. When are they ready? When you've given them as much of that orientation/training as they need to avoid such mistakes and they want a com ship.

you cant fault rostin for giving me a  com ship  i was already in the proces of building one for my self so it could  have happen regardless of him giving me that ship maybe only latter 

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And how can you say James holds his corporation to a higher standard when SPQNR is on track to surpass TGE in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE GAME IN THE NEAR FUTURE? Gee maybe because he's not willing to have low standards just to be no1 in the numbers like you would.

The propensity for their to be more slip ups from my corp MAY BE because we have almost twice as many members as any other corporation and most of those members have started doing COMsDespite some being inexperienced and or irresponsible players that any decent corp leader would not have on the team or give a big com ship to just to inflate the corp. You are noticing a "trend" from ONE individual (torh) who made a mistake (Marcus should not count because a misclick is different from ignorance of COM etiquette). So really because ONE SPQNR member out of 26 failed to fully understand the mechanics of COM missions on his first day of doing them you now think it is because I am a poor leader/teacher?It was your responsibility, so if you disagree you're simply shirking your responsibility as leader... Get real. The only poor leaders I see in this game are the two of you. The thing is, you say that without anything to support that claim other than your ill-gotten gains in power from accepting anybody and giving them a huge com ship at the expense of everything else like responsibility or respect. That doesn't make you a good leader. I actually have logical factually correct reasons to say you are dropping the ball.

like rostin states above we have almost twice the members wish means we probably have more people doing com also on futher note it seems to me that both incedents took place in the first ring (if i remember correcly mine was at S/107 Piscium A1) wish is because i suspect most people run there coms in that ring  because its close enough to sol where you can trade the modules and resources you gain from these missions which would further increase the likely hood of encountering each other (please correct me if i am wrong) what i like to point out is that with the amount of com's running its probably inevatable thet we run into each other some time 

Are you saying you two have never accidentally dropped a COM on someone before? I highly doubt that. No and if I had, I'd expect retaliation especially if there was a NAP. I wouldn't expect someone to not beat me to a pulp just because I said "oopsie". I don't understand what has happened to you both where the friends I used to have in this game have become the biggest D-Bags. You both are worse than Dadds EVER was

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The whole idea of non-agression is that you sort things out in a civilised manner Joolz. Which is why I offered full compensation for an UNINTENTIONAL mistake. Until you understand that part, don't talk to anyone about standards.

The thing is it isn't about compensation.  It didn't hurt me in the slightest.  It is the principal of the entire matter.  An attack helps to remind people not do it again. Not likely to even be a costly one either.  There are people in the game where the only way they tend to learn is the hard way after all.   That said I am glad you and I are working this out. 

if it didnt hurt you why did you feel the need to hurt us. i didnt need you attacking me to remind me to check orbit  (i forgot because it was my first time i learned and havent made the mistake since)
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You can't compensate someone for a violation of your word intentionally or not. Until you understand that you will think saying 'oopsie' and monetary compensation makes up for a violation. It just doesn't. The whole "sorting things out in a civilized manner" comes before you break the NAP, not after. After a violation you generally have what's known as a war, and you guys are lucky TGE hasn't been so intolerant as to declare all out war.

sorry but we didnt intend to cause harm there for  we offered compensation. personally i think of a violation as doing something with intend ( i am not a legal expert so i dont know how it is defined in law) in this situation i did not intend to cause any harm to anyon (except the pirates in the com) but because i cause harm i offered compensation

Think about it. It's like if somebody accidentally urinated in your cereal(wrong bowl- honest mistake) after promising not to. It's not about the cereal and their offering a new box of cereal doesn't make up for that disrespect and is further insult. So don't be surprised or act like they're unreasonable when somebody rejects your 'compensation' for such an act after you broke a non-aggression pact.

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At any rate, Jam and I have agreed on a way to settle this, and from my part, I'll leave it at that.

Would it be considered mean if I were to secretly wish for conflicts like this (or even all-out war) to liven the game up a bit? 

nope it makes you honest
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There used to be but I am tired of this happening.  For all I know people the both of them could have done it on purpose and then apologized to try to get away with doing it.  Though cutting and running first would do it first.  But then no one would know who did it. So they could have done it to be bragging. Or it could have been an accident.  What I am doing now prevents that first possibility from ever happening and there are likely people in the game who might consider doing the first thing. Considering the fact I don't really trust you or most of your people anymore, I have trouble believing what they say. Especially since this is the 2nd time this has happened.   

if we did it on purpuse to cause you harm then why did we notify you we could have don it and be halfway to the new cluster ( manner of speaking) and you would have never know who did it. and why would we send you a message to brag wath would be the point of braging to you except to get  a prize on our heads. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. i dont expect you to trust me but i try to be honest when i make mistakes
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Could be said you will intentially do it now. Though I know you ment it as a joke. Also the odds of us bumping into each other even to do it are small. lol. So odds of you doing it aren't high, you do try to check your surroundings and should it happen, odds of me running into one of your ships when I am not looking isn't high. Hell I thought I wouldn't see any of torh's ships for months and then eventually forget about the whole thing. lol

as i stated in one of my above responses bumping in to one and other is likely more possible then you think.
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I feel like this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion...  Rostin I did say it was the start of a pattern, a start. Now if it doesn't happen again then that pattern is broken and goes no where and it doesn't matter, if it happens again then there is some reason to suspect it might not be coincidence all the time, that is all I meant. While I personally would have handled things differently than Jam is I don't fault him for it considering he is going out of his way to minimize the damage done to whomever drops a COM on him so that he is just sending a message and not taking advantage of this in order to deal some kind of massive blow to your corp or any of it's memebers.

i has certenly been blow out of proportion. sorry to say it but i dont agree has done everything to minimize the damage if he wanted to do that he could have just acceptend the Quantum Points i offered. why does he need to send a message by attacking me i understood very well from his response to my message that i made a huge mistake but its just that a mistake and i thank him that he didnt involve anyone else in this

Personally Raptor I can understand your situation. I would guess that the whole "jake" matter has made Jam much less inclined to take you at your word and I can't blame him for that considering how things went down. Trust is easy to lose and quite hard to gain. I will take your word for it, but certainly if it happened again I would think twice before doing so again given what went on. I hope you can understand what I mean.


Btw last I checked there is a lot more to a corp than just it's rankings. I would kindly ask that you refrain from saying that your corp will "surpass us in everyway" in the future Rostin as I take personal offense to that when you don't know what goes on in TGE. You want to pass us on the leaderboard that is fine, but don't go saying or should I say implying that the members of TGE aren't as good as your own corp. I understand things are getting a little heated but still, let us not go insulting people just because of that.

Torh, I guess there wasn't much of a history between you so my bad on that, it just seemed like there was from how Jam talked was all.

oke  but could you then next time refrain from making the suggestion that i wronged him before cause this caused me to question the truth fullnes of the claim that he was only doing this it to teach me a lesson and caused me to think that he was possibly going to take it further than a single attack

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we need the updated to finish  so we can see whom is drop com.

we need an update that just makes that even if i do a com at the same location as other person that the missions dont effect eachother
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welcome

I've been kinda inactive because of MH4U and stuff but here is my thoughts...

First of all I'm sure Jam can handle the small power increases from these coms so that isn't the issue. The issue is that it can be a big problem for others and it really needs to not happen.

Secondly, I can understand where you are coming from Rostin, though I don't think your corp having more noobs has to do with anything other than you recruiting more than anyone else. Personally I can accept this as having been an accident, however twice in a relatively short period of time (for this game anyway) is the start of a patern. I would ask that Rostin and the rest of the folks over there redouble your efforts to teach your new players to look before they leap so to speak. It's your business if you want to take in as many new players as possible and it's your business how you teach them but if they continue making mistakes like this then sooner or later the entire collective of SPQNR is going to be held responsible for annoying the rest of us with this sort of thing you know what I mean? People can only take so much before they say enough is enough. I'm personally fine right now but Jam is one of the bigger players that is more spread out and really sees how often this sort of thing happens so I can understand him starting to really get tired of it.

Torh, you didn't give a date for that attack so was it before or after Jam posted that message? I didn't ask him specifically (or if I did I don't remember) what went on between the two of you but I remember him at least implying that you two have a history when your name was brought up in the corp board. I would assume his attack on your mining facilities might be a product of more than just one com you dropped on him.

Anywho, lets not make a habit of having to have these discussions. All we have to do is not drop coms on each other and this won't be a problem anymore.

i have taken step to prevent this from happening again in my case by making a step by step protocol that i try to follow
1. pick up multiple coms 
2. fly to closest system holding at least 2 coms in the ship at diffrent planets   and fully scout it
3. if the planet in the com has any ship in orbit i avoid it and move on to my second option if both planets have coms running i avoid the system for 72 hours and check again and find an other system where i fullow the same patern ( for jll i have made the special protocol of avoiding the entire system for a week unless intel tells me he has moved) ( the week rule is not in effect in systems where i or spqnr have a base )

i have no idea what history you are inpling i dont remember ever meeting JLL before the 'incedent'  if we did meet before that that would have had to be more than 1.5 years ago because as i stated before i was on hiatus  in which case he holds a really long grudge
but if so i invite him to pm me and talk it out  ( if this is about the fact that some members of my previous corp taking actions in the PMI vs img war (i found some post's i dont remember exactly where)  i was not active at the time and if i was i would have taken action at that time but i wasnt so if i am on to something talk it out with me)
i also did not drop more than one com on him as stated above i  took special protocol to ensure it doesnt happen again

 

This is true Raptor there are a lot of coms going on I'm sure. Still I don't see it as too difficult to make the habit of checking orbit before you even look in your cargo bay to start a mission. Idk what your situation was, I'll check it later since I'm multi-tasking a few too many things atm, but unless someone ninja'd you and got into orbit and dropped a mission between when you checked orbit and dropped your mission I can't really see what circumstances would allow an established player to not see another persons mission going on before they put theirs down.

As for how Jam is taking it, I can't speak to that too much but I would say this. There is that whole saying "the straw that broke the camels back" that comes to my mind when I look at this situation. Idk about you but I don't know what is going on in Jam's life atm so for all I know he is just really stressed out right now or tired of how things are going here on AG (mainly a lack of the updates we've been wanting for like forever) and then one thing happens and he needs to vent a bit. All I can say is it happens, it might not be fair to certain people but we all do it even if we try not to.

i can understand that Jam may be having a tough time but that is no reason to have this situation escalate everyone has difficult times in life and i hope it gets better for him but that is not something we can change so dont act out your anger on us