Not sure how many constitutions you have written in your life, JamJul, but the very first opening statement is the basis to the operation of an entity. All the by-laws, amendments, addendum and regulations, are just parts of "the way we conduct ourselves to strive to achieve our goal. " You yourself said you were going to stop raiding in sector 0,0 to give the new guys who cant get out far, a fair go. I dont have an issue with raiding, but with destruction of property i do around 0,0 in particular.
The basis and the aim of the charter. Not the actual terms. But we can work on this and get things moving in that direction more. Not sure how much I will be able to discuss it after the 16th though. Going to Kentucky until the 1st. Going to be at my girlfriend's place and I am not sure how often I will be online there. BTW I never said i was going to stop raiding in 0,0. I said the Sol System. Your 2nd in command can verify that. Though I don't personally raid much at all anymore.
See, this is exactly what my beef is with your justification that you have for helping people by destroying them. Its been your underlying defense since we first met on the field of chatrooms. You feel you help by destroying others. Its the one reason you and I will never see eye to eye on terms. As to "getting around to going back to pick up a station" is only a matter of fuel. Slow engines consume less. Consider how much it costs to buy a station in the first place. How much work does it take to afford one? Or, how much QP and donations does it take? How much time and money did it take to put the station in orbit in the first place? Dont try to justify that it is in someones best interest to blow up a station rather than leave it in place until a ship can reach it to collect. For someone like you and i who considers 100k sol or even a 1M$ sol as small change, then the time to collect would be a cost factor. But not for a new player.
To a newer player the time spent to get to it though sometimes doesn't feel like it would be worth it to pick it up. Considering the fact I left a station behind on accident and didn't bother to go back for it was for this very reason. In the time it takes I could be doing other things to make up that money. Besides I gave her the options. I didn't try to sweet talk her into destroying them. I didn't say destroying them would be the best idea. I gave her options. She picked the destruction route at the time. That there isn't my fault.
Correct, you had no way of knowing, until i alerted you to that fact. That in itself should have called off the attack until we reviewed the matter, however it wasnt the case. Instead, you and/or your speaking members, tried to pound down the letter of the law at me.
Actually I did put the demolition of the stations on hold when you asked me. I read your post in the council area first and immediately posted that I would wait. I only pointed out I was not violating the GC charter when you suggested I might be. It was after I said I would wait that you threatened to attack PMI ships.
No you quite. You stated that you are still going to go ahead with the planned attacks unless you heard any different from the pilot (who was offline at the time) granted in a time frame.
Your right. I was giving her 24 hours actually. I didn't know how active she was and I really didn't want to waste too much time but I also figured if she was an active player that she would be on in that time.
The threat was if you destroy any more stations you will come under fire by our vessels. I asked for a cease fire to your actions and was prepared to back up that request if it went unheeded. Remember, you guys are the pirates and as such, it sits uneasy for me especially when i see you hiding behind the charters. It was the same back in ancient history that charters were used as a means for "legal" piracy and i dont want our charter to reflect our forefather's grim past.
Since you guys want to operate only within the cold hard letter of "the law", i will be looking at writing the doctrines to be just that.
If this situation was reversed and it was you guys asking me to hold up on a point of order, i would have complied instantly and not have others weighing in their opinion on how to read the GC.
Anyway, getting a little way off the topic of casting votes. Lets just say that the check and balance of a senior corp member is the way we work here(at IMG) to alert the GC if there was a slip up. Its why i didnt assume the role of rep. I am too busy to get involved in petty politics, i believe the top head of corp shouldnt be the rep and happy for my senior members to assume that role, but reserve the right to step in where there has been an error or misconduct. Its the difference between a democracy and a totalitarian or fascist government
You asked and I gave it. Yes in a time frame but I gave it. I only gave a time frame because I didn't want to waste too much time. I didn't offer to blow it up cause I like doing that stuff. As I have said many time before I gave her options. The reason I was planning on doing it as I raided was so that the trip wouldn't be a complete waste. I hate doing stuff and not getting any profit from it in the game. You immediately took everything though that I was trying to bully her or something into letting me blow it up when that wasn't the case. Honestly I was glad when she changed her mind about the stations.
Our corp for the most part is a democracy. We do try to vote on matters. The reason why I am representing the corp itself in this matter though is cause I tend to be more diplomatic then some of our other people. I am used to this sort of arena online. I trust my division leaders, but this kind of stuff I prefer to handle myself. If you decide to appoint another person as your representative, make sure they are going to discuss matters with you first before voting. The rest of the council can not be held responsible for what breaks down in your internal matters.
So here is something I am proposing for voting.
1. Before votes can be counted someone must call for a vote.
2. Votes can only be rescinded if the majority of the council agrees.
Number 2 there allows for some wiggle room in a situation such as this. At the same time we can't allow people to just vote and retract whenever they feel like it. There are people out there who might try that. Not saying they are in our corps. But I know there are people out there that might do that.